New Players Teleporting from Shirogane Housing

[Niwashi]

If they can afford a house, they can spare a few thousand gil.

But it's not the new player who bought the house. All they did was join an FC that had one. So sure, somebody in the FC has plenty of gil to spare. If it's a sizeable FC, then it's more likely several somebodies. But that doesn't mean that those players are available there to port their newest FC-mate around or to give him/her the gil to do so. Maybe they're not online when the new player is trying to reach the house or get back from it.

(I do agree about Return, though. It became an easily viable travel option a while back, when the cooldown was reduced to 15 minutes. This would be a much bigger issue if it were still 30 minutes long.)

[WhiteArchmage]

But it's not the new player who bought the house. All they did was join an FC that had one.

They ARE talking about the FC that bought the house, not the player; and generally speaking, if they could buy a house, there's a decent chance they could set up a little fund in the FC chest to get newbies back to Eorzea; accesible by officers to help out the newbies until they get their own money (which, as has been said, isn't really hard; and a FC with enough money to get a house in Shirogane on release probably has enough money for teleports).

Also, the whole thing is moot since it's not even out, yet. For all we know, the NPC that transports you between wards and Kugane can just dump you in Limsa if you don't have SB.

[Mikki]

Honestly, everyone should be using a security token. It keeps you safe and it gives you a free teleport location so I would highly encourage any new players to grab one. Especially since you can use the software token, it's pretty easy and available to everyone who has a smart phone (which is basically everyone) or a tablet. Just make sure to tell them that they should write down the emergency removal code for safe keeping just in case!

Return is always a backup option and while it's not ideal perhaps, if they really can't spare the gil then it's there and a 15 minute cooldown isn't that bad. That being said, just completing the ARR main scenario should give them easily around 300k gil. I think they'll be ok~

[Niwashi]

They ARE talking about the FC that bought the house, not the player; and generally speaking, if they could buy a house, there's a decent chance they could set up a little fund in the FC chest to get newbies back to Eorzea; accesible by officers to help out the newbies until they get their own money (which, as has been said, isn't really hard; and a FC with enough money to get a house in Shirogane on release probably has enough money for teleports).

Neither of you are getting the point I was making. THE FC HAS MONEY. We know this. THE LEADER OF THAT FC (and possibly their top officer or two) HAS ACCESS TO THAT MONEY. I know that, too. But the new player DOES NOT HAVE THAT ACCESS.

Let's see if an example can make it clearer. A few months back I created a new alt on a different server, and for roughly a month or so was playing it actively every day. I joined an FC, socialized with the other members and ran stuff together with them. And I frequently hung out at the FC house, since I liked to craft there. In that entire month, I only once saw the FC leader online, and never saw the other officer (the only other player with advanced access to anything). It took more than a week and a half before I could even get a chance to ask for the orchestrion to be turned back on after a maintenance window's downtime reset it to off.

It doesn't help a new player for their FC leader/officers to have money available if that new player never encounters them, let alone has a chance to ask them for any. Even if the leader/officers are far more active and the new player does encounter them regularly, it doesn't mean they'll be there when the new player gets stuck at the house. What if it happens when nobody else from the FC is online?

[FoxyAreku]

What if it happens when nobody else from the FC is online?

Then they can wait 15 minutes for their return to come off cooldown.

For what you are saying to be an issue, they would have had to have 1: Used return within the last 15 minutes, 2: Have under 1000 gil (which isn't even possible for a new player as you are required to do some quests before you even have the option to teleport anywhere, unless they wasted it on something), and 3: They never set a favorite or a free destination. And even 4: No one is around to lend them this pitiful amount of gil. And even if someone falls into ALL of those categories, they'll be trapped in the housing zone for what? 10 minutes while they wait for their cooldown, at most?

Your worry is about something that has almost non-existent chance of inconveniencing anybody. It's a non-issue. Let this thread die.

[Solarra]

Your worry is about something that has almost non-existent chance of inconveniencing anybody. It's a non-issue.

This won't affect those of us who have been playing for a while but it will negatively impact all new players (unless they are given a direct exit to Limsa - which could be problematical too, as Limsa isn't immediately accessible unless you start there).
I'm hoping some thought has been given to this because retaining new players is not only good for FCs it's essential for the health of the game.

Once a player reaches level 50 they will probably have a good bit of gil saved and they'll have the chance to get Aetheryte tickets from hunts, but for the early levels getting to and from the FC house is either going to require players to wait around for Return to come off cooldown or is going to take a large chunk of their gil.

[Vidu]

(unless they are given a direct exit to Limsa - which could be problematical too, as Limsa isn't immediately accessible unless you start there).

Using that logic, an FC-house in Mist would just be as problematic, wouldnt it?

Seriously, you people are making way to big a deal out of this... No one is going to be stuck in a housing area because of this. A ferry/exit to Limsa would be nice, but not having one wont be the end of the world either. The game throws enough gil at us, return has a 15 minute CD and free teleport tickets are a thing...

[Niwashi]

For what you are saying to be an issue, they would have had to have 1: Used return within the last 15 minutes, 2: Have under 1000 gil (which isn't even possible for a new player as you are required to do some quests before you even have the option to teleport anywhere, unless they wasted it on something)

Actually, you only have to have done the first quest, Close to Home, which rewards around 100 gil, though most will certainly have done more than that. And the quest rewards only come once, while players might want to go to their FC house multiple times.

(And as I said, I actually agree about Return. I was only disagreeing with the argument that other members of the FC having gil solves the issue, since it doesn't if they aren't there to provide it.)

[Vidu]

Actually, you only have to have done the first quest, Close to Home, which rewards around 100 gil, though most will certainly have done more than that. And the quest rewards only come once, while players might want to go to their FC house multiple times.

Its costing me 174 gil to go from Kugane to our FC-house in mist - thanks to our teleport-buff up, as other have mentioned, its 249 without one. Assuming this will apply in reverse, its gonna cast 249 gil to get to your FC-house in Kugane.
My character is now standing in Mist, checking the teleport-costs to other locations - 432 gil to go to Gridania, 295 to go to Ul'dah. Its currently more expensive to go from LN to Gridania than its gonna be to get to an FC-house in Kugane... thanks to return you wont have to pay to get back, I really fail to see an issue here - except we wanna make the issue "Teleporting is to expensive for new people!" out of it

[Jijifli]

Neither of you are getting the point I was making. THE FC HAS MONEY. We know this. THE LEADER OF THAT FC (and possibly their top officer or two) HAS ACCESS TO THAT MONEY. I know that, too. But the new player DOES NOT HAVE THAT ACCESS.

And as I have stated, we are stating that this is an option if return did not exist. Technically you already can get yourself stuck, by starting in limsa, then spending all your money teleporting to the house in Gridania or Ul'dah. How does the new player without airship get back without return?

This is not an issue. Be glad they let your newbie friend come at all, because they could have easily locked it behind doing Sirensong sea to get to Kugane. But they didn't, because people whined and complained when HW had content locked behind it.