Scholar Feedback

[Tiva]

While the white mage one in combat is suboptimal I find it more engaging you have to go out of your way to use abilities you normally don't want to to build it. And multiple abilities to use it with even if currently suboptimal it is an engaging design for it.

Ok first thing. If you're doing this on your phone, change to the desktop site so you can edit your post instead of making a million posts for 1 reply.

Second thing, the issue with whm lilies is not even that its "suboptimal"... it is encouraging bad gameplay. As a healer you want to be letting shields, the fairy (if you have one), and instants heal before you case a GCD heal. That is the most efficient way to play. The whm lily system does not encourage this good play. Instead it encourages players to think they SHOULD be casting cure 1 and 2. That is not true and it's a trap for new players. In reality good whm's generate very few lilies. In reality I usually end up getting 1 lily before I have to spend it (because you always want to try and use your OGCDs off cd when possible to make the most of them). Most whm's dont even look at the lily gauge. Now... confessions are a bit of a different story.... but I still think they have issues... basically because of the same thing. They encourage you to spam aoe heals to get stacks on the party to use PI. That is mostly bad gameplay, again. Most situations, you want to cast medica 2, and just let the hots tick up the party. Unless there is immediate damage following, there's no reason to spam medica II, medica, medica, or cure 3 cure 3 cure 3.... the only place I've found good use for PI is in o4s... which I think makes it very niche. New players make the mistake of panic healing the raid to full after damage, and this system really encourages that mentality, which is not good imo. I appreciate that you personally feel that whm's system is cool. But there are so many issues with it that saying you think a similar system would be interesting on sch makes me cringe. I wouldn't want to see anything like this on any other class unless SE can prove they are capable of updating this system to make it actually encourage good play and interesting to play with. For now it's neither and even though we warned them... they didn't change it enough pre-release. Now we probably cant expect any major class changes until 5.0. Which is just another reason it I think it's best to focus on the small changes that they COULD make to sch within this expansion timeline. They will probably be doing another complete re-work of the classes in 5.0 following all the feedback on different jobs .... and if people get what they want.. remember we might be seeing sch/smn split, which will likely mean a complete re-work for both jobs.

[Clouse_Cleyra]

I just got my 345 sch weapon and I must say sch rocks as always

[technole]

I just got my 345 sch weapon and I must say sch rocks as always

Nice! It's my turn to get the Genji coffer if it doesn't drop this next week.

Scholar getting even better than it already is!

[ElasmoFan]

Did they mention if the cast time and mana cost were specifically for egis being lowered (like a trait) or if it was a general thing for all summons that includes faeries?

[Tridus]

I don't think that level of detail was mentioned. We'll be getting full patch notes soon, it'll be clearer in there.

[Maltothoris]

That's happening for the smn. Their mp cost and casttime is lowered but for all we know that could just be a smn thing only unless it's made arcanist trait in which both of them will share it.

Regardless, these changes should make easier for sch. Aldo cost prob gonna be 1600 or so mp and succor 2000 mp, succor just being slightly weaker than noct aspected helios but again we need to wait and see what the full patch notes will, probably gonna be around the weekend before the release, sometimes a friday or the monday before the patch.

[Ametrine]

SCH already has Dissipation to instant sacrifice. So I'm curious if the shorter cast time on Summon (and listed as a new skill for SMN, but not SCH) could apply as part of the Dissapation package so we can rely on the spell more often outside of tightly choreographed raids.

The Adlo mp cost drop and 150% shielding on Succor put SCH almost exactly where I hoped we would be.

If only we could Selene's Silent Dusk fixed...

[Rawrz]

SCH already has Dissipation to instant sacrifice. So I'm curious if the shorter cast time on Summon (and listed as a new skill for SMN, but not SCH) could apply as part of the Dissapation package so we can rely on the spell more often outside of tightly choreographed raids.

The Adlo mp cost drop and 150% shielding on Succor put SCH almost exactly where I hoped we would be.

If only we could Selene's Silent Dusk fixed...

The biggest problem I have with unbugged dissipation is the fairy lockout. The 30 seconds is a direct punishment. If you could end it before the 30 seconds is up and lose the healing bonus to resummon your fairy, the skill would be wonderful.

[Foxkid]

The biggest problem I have with unbugged dissipation is the fairy lockout. The 30 seconds is a direct punishment. If you could end it before the 30 seconds is up and lose the healing bonus to resummon your fairy, the skill would be wonderful.

You know, reading the effect of Dissipation makes it a skill I would virtually never use since Lagresse would give me the same benefit without sacrificing Eos/Selene, but what would even make losing your off-healer worth 3 stacks (without the mana gain) for 30s and 20% really? I'm a tad confused about what situations would arise when removing your fairy is a boon rather than a direct punishment?

[AiharaMizuki]

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When Eos/Selene has used their spells and regaining 3 Aetherflow charges either to push more dps via Energy Drain or for emergency situations where Lustrate and Indom is needed. Losing pet for 30s in return is not that big of a deal in those niche situations, very niche but still has it uses