4.1 and us tanks

[Aana]

(Not like being worried does anything anyways)

DING DING DING! We have a winner!

As for the potencies thing, people seem to have this double mind. On the one hand War damage is what makes it OP. On the other hand its focus on damage is why its a weak class that offers nothing. This forum is really confused when it comes to damage being enough. If you are in the 1st group, then potencies are a fine way to fix drk. If you aren't then pld is the only tank worth playing.

The patch notes will reveal all.

Ill just be happy if war gets something to use while OT. Pld can use CDs while OT to help people. I kinda like that approach. We have all these buttons that do nothing if we aren't taking damage. Using them to do something else when we aren't eating busters to the face is a nice direction I think.

[Claire_Pendragon]

We have all these buttons that do nothing if we aren't taking damage. Using them to do something else when we aren't eating busters to the face is a nice direction I think.

yeah, thats how I felt in my old raid group. (sort of, I was always MT, but felt that when i was OT for any reason, I wasnt able to utilize my CDs)
of course the correct way to use them, is to swap more often, so the tanks can stay out of tank stance longer (which for my current group, our tanks never use tank stances, not even to start off a fight, and they never swap, so our OT is "wasting" their CDs, even in O4S, our WAR is just using holmgang, and holding onto CDs they never really use.

while i was a fan of the "2nd reprisal" idea to WAR, this isnt completely against WARs play style, and since WAR always has inner beast, this is a good way to use up CDs.

(Still salty about DRK though lol)

[ZaqueXIII]

WAR:
Shake it off >> mini infuriate OR anything else really
Unchained and inner release no longer share same CD timer
Mini potency buffs

Id love to just see Inner release replace Unchained for both stances for a few reasons. Mainly if a warrior is going for damage they won't be in defiance ever so having the ability to access any beast gauge abilities at discount in either stance would be a massive benefit(not to mention you could stance swap for even more damage in the middle of the Inner release combo). But unless anything has changed all we can do is wait patiently for the notes to come out. God I hope the shake it off change comes soon.

[TouchandFeel]

Players on the Japanese WAR mega-thread have posted clarifications for the Shake It Off changes, not sure where they got it since I didn't see the Live Letter, maybe the full description was in there.

Here is what they say:
- Shake It Off will provide an AoE shield that can protect party members in range and is based on a percentage of the WAR's max HP.
- Recast 60s.
- Base percent is 4% plus any of the designated CDs buffs will be consumed if active and provide an extra 4% for a potential total of 20%.

Keep in mind, that's second hand info and not from a dev, so it may be wrong.

They also seem confused about the Fell Cleave change stuff much like here on the English forums.

As for the lack of DRK changes announced, there haven't been as many complaints about it as on here but there were a few that pretty much amounted to "Sigh ... no DRK changes".

[shao32]

a 20% shield from war hp? DRK time to use living dead bcs we dont survive this

[SunAurel]

Here is what they say:
- Shake It Off will provide an AoE shield that can protect party members in range and is based on a percentage of the WAR\\'s max HP.
- Recast 60s.
- Base percent is 4% plus any of the designated CDs buffs will be consumed if active and provide an extra 4% for a potential total of 20%.

Keep in mind, that\\'s second hand info and not from a dev, so it may be wrong.

They also seem confused about the Fell Cleave change stuff much like here on the English forums.

A Warrior hp based shield with half the cd of divine veil AND the potency to be double as good as DV/more uptime?

WHAT THE FUCK SQUARE ENIX

Srsly Warrior should not have utility outside of damage. My Shake it off replacement would have been a combo action to Holmgang to make you move during it upon activation or an attack that does more dmg the less hp you have to also combo with holmgang

But this is idiotic

[RLofOBFL]

That's actually not particularly OP. I mean it's good enough but when you realize how it would be in practice it's just okay. I mean I like it but it's most definitely not OP. It actually makes WAR more of an OT role, which it's been a MT role for a long time due to how easy it gets aggro and can swap into dps stance.

But MT or OT, in savage you CANT just blow you CDs all at once. Every one requires both tanks to have CDs for mechanics. So a 4% aoe shield every min is actually just right, I'd say. At most you'd get 2 20% shake it offs in maybe o2s, that's it. And in casual content a 20% shield doesn't really matter anyway and will help not so great healers so it's not bad if it's true.

I assume Thrill, RI, Vengeance and maybe rampart would be consumed. Seeing as two of those skills have 2 min cds, it doesn't actually have the full 20% every minute. It would be 12% every 90 seconds or so.

[SunAurel]

So a 4% aoe shield every min is actually just right, I\\'d say. At most you\\'d get 2 20% shake it offs in maybe o2s, that\\'s it. And in casual content a 20% shield doesn\\'t really matter anyway and will help not so great healers so it\\'s not bad if it\\'s true.

I assume Thrill, RI, Vengeance and maybe rampart would be consumed. Seeing as two of those skills have 2 min cds, it doesn\\'t actually have the full 20% every minute. It would be 12% every 90 seconds or so.

Which is still significantly better than a 10% pala based hp shield with heal trigger every 2 minutes -,-

[Schrute]

We wars got some nice raid utility, but at what cost? I'm amazed no one else is panicking about the Fellcleave and inner release comment.... I HOPE HE MISSPOKE!

[MyaValentine]

We wars got some nice raid utility, but at what cost? I'm amazed no one else is panicking about the Fellcleave and inner release comment.... I HOPE HE MISSPOKE!

so? the whole war side of the community complained that if palading had utility it should not have the damage, they gave war the damage then complained about utility now you get utility and going to complain about damage again? I'd say a smalll potency reduction wont break it for war, even then It might not even be a potency reduction and even if it was I would not surprised and you should not worry. The ones that need the help right now are DRK as to me is the only tank that atm is just not the best at anything. pld and war are leads on mitigation and damage and for the looks of it utility now while drk is not as good on either dps, mitigation nor utility but atleast they are the best at MT dps even tho with the current meta is irrelevant as we spend 90% on dps stance.