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  1. #11
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    Yeah, it... really feels like he has no idea how to actually use most of SCH's tools...
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    The fairy being a turret isn't a problem.

    You should be placing it anyway thus it's nearly always a turret. not just leaving it on heal.

    The reason is simple. A placed fairy can still cast embrace on a tank or out a whispering dawn on the group even if your running laps around the arena edge. A fairy following you is dead weight and cannot cast or do anything because it's too busy following you.

    Succor I think it could use a slightly faster cast time. Number of times you cast it and the shields proc a millisecond after the damage hits kinda feels wasted. Should be a very fast cast or even instant.

    Maybe even slightly stronger shields. It's weird how an astrologian has better shields than a scholar does. That just shouldn't be the case.
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    Last edited by Dzian; 09-27-2017 at 06:06 PM.

  3. #13
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    Kira Thrinaria
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonhand View Post
    From a master tactician, there isn't much to find in here. Nearly every skill is reactive instead of proactive, and for a Sch, it should be the other way around.
    Depends on how you want to play, really. If you don't spam gcd skills, then you really have to plan out your fairy and instant skills. since most of those have an cooldown and the instant heals require stacks. Imo in progress scholar is slightly worse than the other healer for that reason. But it excels when you got an better knowledge of the fight, since the comp of fairy, chain and the high dmg of the scholar is amazing imo.
    #Broil II - 230 dmg... Nerf the main spell, nerf the dots... Do you want me to start hitting the boss with my bloody grimoire?
    Scholar is the second strongest healer class dmg wise and has chain. This shouldn't be buffed.
    #Dissipation - The skill I used once and said... never again... You had the chance to change it and make something with it during stormblood... but nah lets keep the skill no one uses there for the luls, and remove Eye 4 an Eye and Virus...
    They should give virus back and do something more useful with dissipation. Totally agree here, despite there being very, very rare uses for dissipation, which you have to plan out.
    Deployment Tactics - Without e4e... it's kind of meh... usefull... but it fells like meh...
    DT is still very, very strong, since you can spread an adlo.
    Bottom line, instead of having Sch competing with heals and aoe heals with other classes and making a balancing nightmare, just make the Sch a master shield caster.
    For me scholar was always an fairy healer class and nothing else. Shields and the mitigation are still there, but healers at a good or top level, don't want to cast many heals and this means your suggestions aren't what would make those people excited. For instance succor could be an better skill, but unless they make it an instance cast, almost nobody of the good healers would use it. You use your fairy and your instant heals as much as possible. Besides you don't need 100 shields, when the group would survive anyway. Therefore making an class much more reliant on shields, would be bad game design. In theory they could then go and make dmg in fights much higher, so you need to have shields all the time, but then again, when ilvl goes up, you wouldn't need them and if those fights really need shields that much, ast (if nothing gets changed) will be much worse than bringing an scholar. This would also be bad game design, because every healer comp should be able to clear content.

    PS: Lore wise: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/scholar/
    These learned men and women defended the freedom of their tiny nation with their unique command over spell-weaving faeries, utilizing the creatures' magicks to heal the wounded and bolster the strength of their allies.
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    Last edited by era1Ne; 09-27-2017 at 07:34 PM.

  4. #14
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    At the risk of sounding especially snobby, you can tell how much raiding someone has done by how much they value Deployment

    One side note, Eye for an eye is a shadow of what it used to be

    In terms of sheer numbers, I don't think SCH is genuinely lacking in any particular area, it's HPS and DPS throughput is there or thereabouts with only it's MP costs vs potency really standing out now.

    However I do agree that the job just feels like a bit of a mess. It's akin to a big jumbled up bag of quirky cooldowns with little to no synergy between them, the fairy has been watered down to a shadow of what it used to be, it almost feels like it's something SE wished they had never implemented in the first place now which is just shameful IMHO.

    I've said it multiple times and I'll say it again, SE need to get someone in the team with a good grasp of healing at Savage progression level, but also is sympathetic to casual gameplay aka the likes of levelling dungeons and 24 man. Let them go wild with the SCH and give it the rework it both needs and deserves, there's so much potential there to make it far more interesting and intuitive than it is now.
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    Last edited by Sebazy; 09-27-2017 at 07:40 PM. Reason: Holy grammar batman!
    ~ WHM / badSCH / Snob ~ http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/871132/ ~

  5. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by era1Ne View Post
    Now if only SE would stop nerfing the fairy and let us actually be a pet-centric class.
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  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riyshn View Post
    Now if only SE would stop nerfing the fairy and let us actually be a pet-centric class.
    The fairy was to strong in Heavensward and some scholar were even able to almost solo heal A9-10 savage with the fairy alone. This was imo just a bit to much. Scholar had more or less an save spot in statics and the main reason was the fairy. By the way, i do agree that scholar feels less fun to play or clunky in SB and they should do sth about that. But imo the nerfs themselves were necessary, since no healer class should be (almost) mandatory.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    At the risk of sounding especially snobby, you can tell how much raiding someone has done by how much they value Deployment
    Not at all. Deploy is amazing and has it's use
    I've said it multiple times and I'll say it again, SE need to get someone in the team with a good grasp of healing at Savage progression level, but also is sympathetic to casual gameplay aka the likes of levelling dungeons and 24 man. Let them go wild with the SCH and give it the rework it both needs and deserves, there's so much potential there to make it far more interesting and intuitive than it is now.
    I don't think, they dont understand how healing in savage works, but balance healing is overall imo much more difficult then others roles, since you have to make every comp being able to heal content. Which restricts how different the healer classes acually can be and imo they'll need to be very creative when they introduce an new healer class. This class can't be an very reggen heavy and slow healer for example, since content is designed differently atm. But at the same time the new class should feel very different, then the healers we have already. Very, very challenging imo. At one point, i thought maybe they shouldn't do another healer, since everything is covered atm, but some lore hints got me excited. As far as i know, they hinted at at least 2 classes. One almost certain an healer and i wish the other class hinted at in the ff14 lore is aswell. By the way, what would you change for scholar?
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    Last edited by era1Ne; 09-27-2017 at 08:06 PM.

  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by era1Ne View Post
    By the way, what would you change for scholar?
    The only change I think SCH really needs right now is Dissipation. They don't even need to change a lot, add maybe a Insta-resummon after the 30s Dissipation buff would be good enough. The MP-cost nerf on Adlo and Succor may be a bit overkill? Could reduce it to match Cure II and Medica.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AiharaMizuki View Post
    The only change I think SCH really needs right now is Dissipation. They don't even need to change a lot, add maybe a Insta-resummon after the 30s Dissipation buff would be good enough. The MP-cost nerf on Adlo and Succor may be a bit overkill? Could reduce it to match Cure II and Medica.
    With what a crit Aldo can do, don't expect that to happen without something else changing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonhand View Post
    ##Eye for an Eye - Why in the bloody name of jesus did you took it from us...? Sch should get mitigation, other healers, power heals... Also, it's the only skill to use with Deployment apart from Galv, that it is not even a skill but an after effect of another skill....
    It's still there, in the role skill list. If you're upset about stuff being taken and put into the role skill list, get in line because it's currently full of WHMs. :P
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  10. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by era1Ne View Post
    By the way, what would you change for scholar?
    Everything!

    The problem with SCH is that whilst the fairy abilities were strong, they were also unresponsive and erratic in use mostly due to the speed with which the AI chooses an auto embrace target coupled with how sketchy pet queueing can be at times.

    IMHO the best way to allow the SCH to be a more pet centric job again, is to actually get rid of the pet from a technical standpoint. Whilst it sounds awful, I think it actually opens up some very interesting possibilities. This is something I should probably explain in a separate post as it won't be brief
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    ~ WHM / badSCH / Snob ~ http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/871132/ ~

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