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  1. #11
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    Terkhev's Avatar
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    Shiro Terkhev
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    If you see spam healing coming, use Rouse + Fey Illumination + Whispering Dawn. Even on single target it's HPS gain. Ofc wait for tank to have enmity and be sure Eos is in range.
    If your mana allows it use Adlo every 1 or 2 Physics. If you don't overwrite shield, it's de facto 600 potency heal that goes to 900 on crit.
    Don't just spam Lustrate. Make sure you don't overheal with it.

    If it makes you feel better, at 70 SCH is (imho) the best healer for such situations thanks to Fey Union and Excogitation.
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  2. #12
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    Ketsueki Bloodfox
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    I'm taking everything read into consideration for what applies at the moment and a lot of it is really improving my approach on things (its helped my confidence in it a bit too), even though I'm still faltering a bit when it comes to tanks and their 7-15+ enemy pulls (and a few of them are dropping the pull amount a bit if it does end in a wipe for the 2nd run through the corridor).

    Although the current challenge after them is sudden effects in dungeons that have no prior explanations (Doom debuffs, vulnerability stacks that end in 1 shots, things along that source), I can kinda pick those up along the way I guess, no point in asking more than I need to.
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    Well, at least I'm trying...

  3. #13
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    Louisoix
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    Paladin Lv 70
    Congrats!
    Your technique is alright but you might as well use Largesse
    What I do while I am playing as SCH is to cast Adloquium before the tank catches aggro (this might attract aggro so stay close to the tank) once the monsters are pulled usually turn on Largesse and heal using Physick and Adloquium.
    Unsure about the last question.
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    Last edited by mikanana; 09-22-2017 at 09:09 PM.

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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Siren
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    Tanks should not be pulling trains pre 50. Healers don't have the tools to handle them yet, especially SCH. The 50s dungeons is where the train pulls begin and some players forget or pay no mind to the capabilities of their healers.

    In these cases it's important to remember that if you do nothing you will gain no enmity, and as crappy as this sounds, when you see the tank bite off more than he can chew, let him die. Your only alternative is to go down with the ship, because as soon as you do anything, the angry pack will come for you after the tank drops.

    This isn't something to spite the tank, or teach him a lesson. It's looking after your own ass.
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  5. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikanana View Post
    Congrats!
    Your technique is alright but you might as well use Largesse
    What I do while I am playing as SCH is to cast Adloquium before the tank catches aggro (this might attract aggro so stay close to the tank) once the monsters are pulled usually turn on Largesse and heal using Physick and Adloquium.
    Unsure about the last question.
    I actually tried using Largesse early on, but I didn't see too much difference in it including during Eos' Fae Illumination so I replaced it with Lucid Dreaming which I feel helped out more during heavy healing phases (mp management) and I've adopted in using Adloq before the tank runs off, which helps especially well if the heal manages to be a critical for usually 2k or more (4k shielding).

    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    Tanks should not be pulling trains pre 50. Healers don't have the tools to handle them yet, especially SCH. The 50s dungeons is where the train pulls begin and some players forget or pay no mind to the capabilities of their healers.

    In these cases it's important to remember that if you do nothing you will gain no enmity, and as crappy as this sounds, when you see the tank bite off more than he can chew, let him die. Your only alternative is to go down with the ship, because as soon as you do anything, the angry pack will come for you after the tank drops.

    This isn't something to spite the tank, or teach him a lesson. It's looking after your own ass.
    Well, it wasn't a thing that really happened until I started hitting level 32 with the goblin lair and Stone Vigil at 41 and higher, so I started feeling both annoyed and discomforted when the tank both pulled half a room (or 2 rooms) of adds (annoyed) and then had the entire group wipe shortly after because the damage was higher than my output (discomforted for the dps dying when they didn't need to).

    However, would the mobs really straight ignore you if everyone else drops and your aggro is virtually zero (minus Eos and Selene because their aggro is usually higher than mine)? Usually even if I stop doing anything when the tank falls short of swiftcast + resurrect they still come for me once the dps drop in a corridor.
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    Last edited by Foxkid; 09-23-2017 at 11:06 AM.

    Well, at least I'm trying...

  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxkid View Post
    I actually tried using Largesse early on, but I didn't see too much difference in it including during Eos' Fae Illumination so I replaced it with Lucid Dreaming which I feel helped out more during heavy healing phases (mp management) and I've adopted in using Adloq before the tank runs off, which helps especially well if the heal manages to be a critical for usually 2k or more (4k shielding).
    I'd suggest you use Drain every now and then for your MP, it's like really, REALLY helpful. I have never had to use Lucid dreaming on my SCH.
    Largesse seems to do the trick for me when I was level 50 or so.
    But what you could do for now is to enhance your gear if you haven't. as you may know SCH is kind of terrible classes atm and will get be updated in later patches...
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikanana View Post
    I'd suggest you use Drain every now and then for your MP, it's like really, REALLY helpful. I have never had to use Lucid dreaming on my SCH.
    Largesse seems to do the trick for me when I was level 50 or so.
    But what you could do for now is to enhance your gear if you haven't. as you may know SCH is kind of terrible classes atm and will get be updated in later patches...
    I've actually never taken drain off ever since I got it now that I think about it, so no trouble there ^_^ Though I only adapted Lucid Dreaming because I read in the healer forums that it's a "staple" for the role, though the reduction in threat generation helps too I feel.

    As for gear, I have trouble sleeping at night so I had began on Ironworks very shortly after hitting 50 (is that the best or is there better before heavensward?). I have a ring, earrings, and a [bracelet?] remaining for it while picking up items for another class from story mode.

    But what makes scholar such a bad class? I mean, I have noticed that I'm not able to heal 2500 on a team heal like white mage and astro, but at the same time the shields I feel have saved more despite the best heals I've recorded on it being somewhere in the 900-1k range on a critical. Eos and Selene feel helpful as well as a personal off-healer when someone drops low and the tank is still taking hits (though I still wish her Embrace range was on par with Physick and Lustrate, as well as Succor getting the same treatment, but that might be asking too much.)
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    Well, at least I'm trying...

  8. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxkid View Post
    I've actually never taken drain off ever since I got it now that I think about it, so no trouble there ^_^ Though I only adapted Lucid Dreaming because I read in the healer forums that it's a "staple" for the role, though the reduction in threat generation helps too I feel...
    If you're level 50, then yes Ironworks gear is pretty good, can take you up to level 55 or so...
    It hasn't always been a bad class, a few patches before there weren't as many complaints about the class....
    I guess the reason that SCH heals are low is probably because Eos was made to compensate for it, probably, at least that's how I think it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxkid View Post
    However, would the mobs really straight ignore you if everyone else drops and your aggro is virtually zero (minus Eos and Selene because their aggro is usually higher than mine)? Usually even if I stop doing anything when the tank falls short of swiftcast + resurrect they still come for me once the dps drop in a corridor.
    Ever notice when fighting trash at the start and when you cast something on the tank, a list of mobs suddenly shows up on your enmity list; even the ones you have not directly attacked? Now, have you also ever noticed that sometimes not all the mobs attacking the group are on there? e.g. Three mobs are present, but only two are on your list. This is because the tank does not have agro on that third mob at the time you assisted him, and it will not show up until you attack the mob directly, or aid the person in your group its focused on. This is how enmity transfer works. If the tank has agro on all the mobs, and you help the tank in any way, every single one of them will pop up in your list. And every single one of them will come to eat your face should he fall.

    What this means is if there is no enmity list on your screen, the mobs will indeed leave you alone should the party fall and assuming you are not in their agro range. However, this requires taking no action whatsoever, which is why I said it's kind of a shitty thing to do. The only reason why I have done it is because I'm experienced enough to know when the tank has doomed our group during the pull. I'm sure you've already sensed it as well. The tank just keeps going and going, and you're like, "ummmmm...."

    The aftermath of this pull is 10/10 that all your cooldowns are expended trying to keep the tank up, and you die with nearly full MP because the damage per second far exceeds what you can heal. Does this situation sound familiar at all?

    The first pull in DF is always the most dangerous because no one has any idea how the other members play. This is why I don't DoT during the first pull in DF because I need to evaluate the intentions of the tank. I let the tank do what they do, and I take no action until they firmly lock in agro. So when I see that he decides to pull every mob from start to boss, it becomes easy for me to see that the tank is selfish and expects everyone to adjust to their playstyle.

    My suggestion isn't really something I think you should do. It's just something I would like for you to be aware of during the course of your healing career because when you have a selfish tank, you have to look after your own butt because he sure in the hell isn't.
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