When dps dont aoe should they just get kicked from the start?

[Brill_]

I don't want super top tier DPS I want an actual DPS not someone who does 1-2-3 and spams 1 button, AFKing, not contributing if I wanted to undersize the dungeon with the 3 people who are pulling their weight I could or I could y'know, kick the AFK person and get a 4th. People want a team effort they never said they want the top tier crazy perfect DPS nor has it been requested in any of these threads.

Sure they do. People want the fastest run possible, that means expecting everyone to put out max dps.

[Awful]

Sure they do. People want the fastest run possible, that means expecting everyone to put out max dps.

You don't need "the best" DPS to speed clear a dungeon you literally need: a group of 4 people who are all contributing to clear the dungeon by using all their abilities and their toolkits not someone who is half assing it and being AFK. Sure some do not gonna lie but the majority i.e people who are aware and who use DF regularly want a 4th body that isn't filling up a heart beat.

You can speed clear with 2 Mchs AoEing and a white mage and a Pld AoEing their hearts out VS a group who has a SMN, White mage, Pld, and a Blm where the Blm and summoner aren't AoEing and the white mage is spamming Holy making up for 2 of those DPS who could be AoEing but choose not to along with the Pld doing their AoE. What group is gonna be faster? The group that's more active.

That's the argument being made no one is expecting super fast top tier raid DPS they want people to contribute and benefit the group.

[Elkanah]

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If you want competency, get 3 other players to go with you in the future. Otherwise, you're expecting WAY too much of the community. Everyone plays this game for many and different reasons. Some to get away and enjoy what they play, and some of us (raiders) who have end goals and achieving higher progressive content. But in no way, shape or form is it justified to kick a player just because YOU decide what should be beneficial to the group. I'm not saying you're wrong on the problem, but kicking players because they're not doing what you and the group is asking is toxic to the group and you're part of the problem (not you, but the player kicking said player for those reasons).

Players being offline, harassing others and saying things that aren't necessary, are kick-able offense. If you have an aoe player in the group like blm or rdm and they're doing their job, resume your normal routine with the party. Again, if you really want someone to do what you need to, to get a dungeon cleared, it's smarter to bring 3 others who have the same understanding and mutual agreement. Don't expect the thousands and thousands of players to be on the same bed of dreams and goals. Anything outside of raid endgame should not be kicked without legitimate reasons.

If in raid and they're under performing, then yes, you have every right to kick them, as endgame is not a piece of content meant for casual players who want to "have fun and play the game". You do that on normal raids and other content in the game.

[missybee]

But in no way, shape or form is it justified to kick a player just because YOU decide what should be beneficial to the group.

You can say that until you are blue in the face, but it doesn't change the "differing playstyles" clause.

At the end of the day, the majority (albeit only a slight majority) is going to decide what they want.

[Hruodig]

If you want competency, get 3 other players to go with you in the future. Otherwise, you're expecting WAY too much of the community. Everyone plays this game for many and different reasons. Some to get away and enjoy what they play, and some of us (raiders) who have end goals and achieving higher progressive content. But in no way, shape or form is it justified to kick a player just because YOU decide what should be beneficial to the group. I'm not saying you're wrong on the problem, but kicking players because they're not doing what you and the group is asking is toxic to the group and you're part of the problem (not you, but the player kicking said player for those reasons).

Players being offline, harassing others and saying things that aren't necessary, are kick-able offense. If you have an aoe player in the group like blm or rdm and they're doing their job, resume your normal routine with the party. Again, if you really want someone to do what you need to, to get a dungeon cleared, it's smarter to bring 3 others who have the same understanding and mutual agreement. Don't expect the thousands and thousands of players to be on the same bed of dreams and goals. Anything outside of raid endgame should not be kicked without legitimate reasons.

If in raid and they're under performing, then yes, you have every right to kick them, as endgame is not a piece of content meant for casual players who want to "have fun and play the game". You do that on normal raids and other content in the game.

I can't believe that wanting dpses to use aoe abilities in aoe situations is expecting WAY too much of the community. What a fucking joke, lmao.

[Awful]

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That's just it people are gonna play how they want to at the end of the day and i'm gonna play how I want to no ones the same and this argument will forever be a thing among any kind of player whether they be casual, raider, etc. People have standards on what they believe is good or bad play and honestly what you said is all subjective i'm not advocating for top DPS nor am I advocating kicking people for arbitrary reasons because there can be multiple reasons why someone kicks another or why people encourage good or bad play.

At the end of the day it's just a video game and people think way too much into these things I just posted what my thoughts are no one has to agree with them you can see it as selfish or whatever but honestly it's just how i've played MMOs. So really this is just a back and forth argument with the community that'll always be split and it's how it always will be as there are people who play how they want to and no one can control anything.

Also from my own perspective I don't see how it's expecting way too much for the community to use an AoE it's literally one button/OGCD that does more damage the more enemies you hit so to me it should be common sense.

[Elkanah]

I can't believe that wanting dpses to use aoe abilities in aoe situations is expecting WAY too much of the community. What a ****** joke, lmao.

Also from my own perspective I don't see how it's expecting way too much for the community to use an AoE it's literally one button/OGCD that does more damage the more enemies you hit so to me it should be common sense.

It's the same argument about whether tanks should stay in tank stance or dps stance at any and all times outside content, or healers dpsing or not (excluding endgame because reasons).

As much as I want to believe we all play the same way or have the same thing in mind and hoping everyone is on the same page as all three of us, expecting anything more from anyone outside your circle of friends/LS/FC is expecting way too much from anyone and a pipe dream. If I was wrong, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Also, be very weary of language, as it's bannable from the forums. I only say this cause I got that stick too not too long ago lol. So just a heads up word of warning!