Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Kacho_Nacho]

Dzemael Darkhold as a BRD. The DRK did relatively well. The AST specifically said they were drunk and possibly tried to hit on my character. The run took somewhere near 40 minutes.

Because the SMN. The sprout SMN. Who had no idea how to play their job.

I saw no Bane, ever. For the majority of the dungeon, they did nothing but Ruin II spam, regularly running dry on MP. I'm fairly certain most of their Aetherflow stacks went towards Energy Drain instead of Fester. I didn't know BRD could carry the DPS for a dungeon this hard, before.

It's SMNs like these that make me write off any SMN I see as incompetent until proven otherwise.

Why would you write off the competence of every summoner in the game based on the (non)actions of one sprouted player?

[Ametrine]

That newbie SMN I carried through Prea never used his DoTs. In fact, he was level 50 and wasn't farmiliar with the term, meaning no one had explained it to him, and since SMN was his only job, he had no gauge to compare how low his overall DPS was. Beimg SCH, I was able to show him how it works.

Afterwards, I helped him unlock Red Mage and he was immediately taken back by the raw output difference verses how it's layered on with SMN. He seemed keen on staying Red.

[Kacho_Nacho]

That newbie SMN I carried through Prea never used his DoTs. In fact, he was level 50 and wasn't farmiliar with the term, meaning no one had explained it to him, and since SMN was his only job, he had no gauge to compare how low his overall DPS was. Beimg SCH, I was able to show him how it works.

Afterwards, I helped him unlock Red Mage and he was immediately taken back by the raw output difference versus how it's layered on with SMN. He seemed keen on staying Red.

Hi Ametrine! Summoner is not a newbie friendly class.

DoT classes never are.

There is a certain skillset you must develop in order to play one. Unfortunately, FFXIV doesn't do a good job at teaching it.

It reflects well upon you that you took the time to help the newbie out. Plus ten lalafell points for you!

It sounds like she will much happier with her red mage. It's more straightforward.

[Mysterysword]

Why would you write off the competence of every summoner in the game based on the (non)actions of one sprouted player?

You might have had a point, were it not for the fact that this particular SMN was not the only example of their ilk that I've had to carry. I'll cite the SMN I saw in Vault, who claimed that they didn't have Shadowflare, and completely ignored my advice to not spam Ruin III.

Going back to the SMN in Dzemael Darkhold, I told them to use Bane on a mob, after using Bio and Miasma, on the second pull in the entire dungeon, and still got ignored.

Sure, you will say, being ignored a few times isn't grounds to just give up. But you know what? It's not just "a few times". It's every time. You try remaining helpful after weeks, months, years of advising idiots how to do better, and then getting either ignored or insulted for that.

[killstein]

in dusk vigil on an alt with another rdm who insists on hard casting veraero/thunder, EXCEPT for during bosses. the sad thing is they're a mentor with "grandmaster of magic" title .__. and they're also level 55. s i g h

[Ametrine]

Hi Ametrine! *snip*

Hey Kacho! Lalafell points :O *grabby hands*

I joked with him that he settled on the hardest job in the game, and he responded, "That's just my luck :P"

He said he was the kind of player to avoid spoilers at all costs, so he never stumbled into a guide just looking up stuff. He's 101% blind to everything. He's only been playing a month!

(Also, we discovered you don't need HW or SB registered to unlock RDM/SAM, just a level 50 character. That's much better than how HW handled new jobs!)

Even if he hopped back into SMN, I was at least able to teach him a few needed basics to help him to improve his DPS a bit. He was super fun to play with either way.

[Kacho_Nacho]

You might have had a point, were it not for the fact that this particular SMN was not the only example of their ilk that I've had to carry. I'll cite the SMN I saw in Vault, who claimed that they didn't have Shadowflare, and completely ignored my advice to not spam Ruin III.

Going back to the SMN in Dzemael Darkhold, I told them to use Bane on a mob, after using Bio and Miasma, on the second pull in the entire dungeon, and still got ignored.

Sure, you will say, being ignored a few times isn't grounds to just give up. But you know what? It's not just "a few times". It's every time. You try remaining helpful after weeks, months, years of advising idiots how to do better, and then getting either ignored or insulted for that.

I get what you're saying now.

Humans have this annoying tendency to dig in their heels when offered advice on how to improve. It's natural for someone to think their way is the right way even when they don't know what they are doing.

I guess, because summoner is a hard job to play correctly, that it is possible the class has a higher percentage of players in the lowest percentages of performance, aka 20% or less than what they could be doing if they played perfectly.

If only people weren't so stupidly stubborn. It costs nothing to at least consider another player's words. *sigh*

[Lilseph]

So, sadly we made two tanks leave two different instances yesterday.

1) Both my GF, her friend and myself queued up for Leveling Roulette. We got Dzmael Darkhold (Yay...). We got a sprout WAR that, after watching the cs, he introduced himself as a new player and new when it comes to tank the instance. He was also open to advice (According to him). So, reality hammer would hit at some point and some impatitient people would snap at the tank for not doing things properly. So, since I've plenty of tank experience, I told the tank how to pull and what to use... which got pretty much ignored until I called him out saying "If you are asking for advice, please listen to what I have to say". Okay, we clear the first boss and proceed to explain how these next pulls are commonly performed. He pulled an extra couple of mobs, didn't use any cooldown and proceeded to leave when the party wiped.

2) Same group composition, same roulette. This time Castrum Abania. We got a PLD and my gf was complaining because he wasn't using any cooldowns. So, tank dies because he was taking lots of damage. On our run back, my gf says in chat "Shield Oath is not your only cooldown", and this tank, without saying a word, just proceeds to leave.

The tanking anxiety is real.

[Hasrat]

(Also, we discovered you don't need HW or SB registered to unlock RDM/SAM, just a level 50 character. That's much better than how HW handled new jobs!)

Can confirm, you absolutely need SB registered. Stalled at 50 at the end of ARR for fun, but couldn't unlock anything til I bought expansions.

I get what you're saying now.

Humans have this annoying tendency to dig in their heels when offered advice on how to improve. It's natural for someone to think their way is the right way even when they don't know what they are doing.

Video for relevance.

[Namallama]

Nothing huge but I have two separate tales from tonight's roulette runs.

The Bad Run

Me (BRD) and an FC member (SAM) are both running DPS, get queued into Stone Vigil Hard for the 50/60 roulette. Right away, the tank (PLD) fails to hold aggro for the first few mob pulls. I end up taking it away just by doing simple AoE and this was a pattern for the entire run. I'm pretty sure I held aggro for about as much time as the tank did. Before the first boss, they say, "Oh sorry, I had the wrong shield equipped." Note this did nothing to really fix the problem but ehh, what can ya do? The tank can only do so much when he refuses to use anything but Fight or Flight. The only time Shield Oath popped up was for the first set of mobs.

Our healer (AST), unfortunately, wasn't terribly great either. They knew mechanics, to be fair, but the tank ended up dying once or twice because the AST was too busy DPSing. He also never healed me or my FC mate individually. We only ever saw heals if they were Helios... which normally wouldn't be a problem but doing that usually meant he'd grab aggro in the process (aggro hot potato). I'm also pretty sure he never Royal Roaded once. He used every card as he drew it. No AoE Balances or anything. The only upside was he at least used cards on the correct people.

The Good Run

Did expert roulette as SCH, got Ala Mhigo. Group was great, we burned through the dungeon in like 15-20 minutes. My only complaint was the BRD stood so far away from me. Baby, please, I wanna give you Succor.

Anyway, after we win, the DPS left right away but the tank simply faced me, changed into a full pig costume, and proceeded to dance for me. He also popped champagne. It was cute and I love it when people goof off with me.