When dps dont aoe should they just get kicked from the start?

[Sandpark]

You should be giving your all in all content because you respect other people's time. Doesn't matter what content it is, you should always be giving it your all. Don't be lazy for no reason.



This isn't that type of game. There's very little "exploration" or "experimentation" to do. This is how FF XIV combat works: You are given a job. This is what your job does. Now try to do it perfectly. Whether you want to admit it or not, there is a "wrong" way to play these classes. Ice mage is wrong. Monks without positionals are wrong. Dragoons not using blood of the dragon are wrong. Period. You're wasting other people's time because you wanna be some sort of special, unique individual. That's now how this game works.



No one cares how things were in FF XI, this isn't that game. This game relies on teamwork too, just in a different way. Everyone has their own job to do, and if they strive to do it well then we succeed.

There's no "may be", or "ifs", about it, AOE is factually, mathmatically better on trash mobs. The number is different depending on the class, but it is better. There's no subjectivity to it. Single target potencies don't need to be buffed-that's stupid. Players just need to understand that you need to make use out of your entire skill kit, according to the situation. It's really not that hard to understand.

You give your all in fate parties when not trying to go for gold? Or when you are just trying to relax and get good xp maybe while multitasking?

My whole point is why am I forced to respect people's time in the place where experience points come easier? I am saying MSQ or normal dungeons should be not party only if it is causing people to kick each other and stunt another's progress.

Point two I agree very much so. Play your role or get your hand spanked, play your role sub optimally and get kicked.

Not really, you perfect your own world but you don't really do teamwork other than dodging mechanics together and manage a few group buffs.

If AoE is undeniably better than single target regardless of job on trash mobs then what I said makes even more sense. No skill or job should be so overpowered that the other skills or jobs be cast from content. That's why nerfs and buffs exist, it's this thing called balance that most mmos try to strive for but never perfect. What you just said is that you should make use of your entire tookit according to the situation. Well look at the OP topic. There is no alternate situations, it's a flat out questioning if players should be kicked for not using a piece of their toolkit in all dungeons, not one particular dungeon.

Lol about me wanting to be a snowflake. That is what whining about other players or glamouring basically boils down to. I am not saying I am above it either but let's be real here. Everyone wants to be a snowflake.

[Hruodig]

You give your all in fate parties when not trying to go for gold? Or when you are just trying to relax and get good xp maybe while multitasking?
My whole point is why am I forced to respect people's time in the place where experience points come easier? I am saying MSQ or normal dungeons should be not party only if it is causing people to kick each other and stunt another's progress.

Point two I agree very much so. Play your role or get your hand spanked, play your role sub optimally and get kicked.

Not really, you perfect your own world but you don't really do teamwork other than dodging mechanics together and manage a few group buffs.

If AoE is undeniably better than single target regardless of job on trash mobs then what I said makes even more sense. No skill or job should be so overpowered that the other skills or jobs be cast from content. That's why nerfs and buffs exist, it's this thing called balance that most mmos try to strive for but never perfect. What you just said is that you should make use of your entire tookit according to the situation. Well look at the OP topic. There is no alternate situations, it's a flat out questioning if players should be kicked for not using a piece of their toolkit in all dungeons, not one particular dungeon.

Lol about me wanting to be a snowflake. That is what whining about other players or glamouring basically boils down to. I am not saying I am above it either but let's be real here. Everyone wants to be a snowflake.

I don't do many fates anymore as there are better ways to level, but I generally strive to play my best no matter what content I'm doing. It's not exactly hard to do.

There's plenty of teamwork you can do in savage content that don't just revolve around buffs. Pld can tempered will and cover ranged dps to negate knockback in o4s. Healers can rescue pld after double attack during neo exdeath to help them maintain uptime. Hell, all speed running is about coordinating team buffs to make sure everything lines up at the most optimal time, and you have to work together to plan that out over a fight. The only reason I can do high dps as a tank is because my healers are skilled enough to know when they need to heal and when they don't, thus I'm relying on them to play their job well so that I can play my job well. It all fits together, and it's great when you're in a group of players who all know what they're doing and they're good at it.

You DO use all your abilities in bog standard dungeons. You aoe trash and you single target rotation on bosses. I'm not really sure what the misunderstanding here is. Would you aoe a single target boss?

[SendohJin]

If AoE is undeniably better than single target regardless of job on trash mobs then what I said makes even more sense. No skill or job should be so overpowered that the other skills or jobs be cast from content. That's why nerfs and buffs exist, it's this thing called balance that most mmos try to strive for but never perfect.

are you implying AOE skills designed to hit multiple mobs should be nerfed so that it does the same damage as single target skills?

you know what happens on the dungeon bosses when you do that? all the single target skills are so overpowered that the AOE skills are not used.

the "content" is the dungeon as a whole, you use AOE skills on trash, you use single target skills on bosses, that's how the game is balanced so that most everything is useful.

[Sandpark]

are you implying AOE skills designed to hit multiple mobs should be nerfed so that it does the same damage as single target skills?

you know what happens on the dungeon bosses when you do that? all the single target skills are so overpowered that the AOE skills are not used.

the "content" is the dungeon as a whole, you use AOE skills on trash, you use single target skills on bosses, that's how the game is balanced so that most everything is useful.

No.

I am saying that the difference should be closer between the two not the same damage. Just enough so that this argument about zone pulling, AoE dps only, healer DPS maybe comes to a close. If you can hit more enemies for more damage at once the resource cost should be higher than it currently is. Maybe open with a high damage AoE or two then due to high cost you need to switch over to single target to apply finishers.

[Rongway]

My whole point is why am I forced to respect people's time

I stopped reading right here, because that's a big problem right there.

[Sandpark]

I stopped reading right here, because that's a big problem right there.

You took me out of context. I was talking about why normal dungeons are party only to begin with besides a design choice.