Realism.

[SnickleWhiskers]

Thank you all for your responses it was informative. It's not that there's a basic realism people are using it's that peoples views differ on realism quite a bit when it comes to this game. I started this post seeing people throw that word around (jumping being the most cases recently) often on these forums and wondering exactly what they meant by them. I'd cry if they ever actually implemented eating/sleeping(which would prolly just be logging off)/bathroom time.

[Zantetsuken]

On realism.

Games and other forms of fantasy entertainment have to walk a tightrope between believability and accessibility. We all have certain things we are willing to overlook in order to have a spectacular world like magic, monsters, and high technology. But still, magic and monsters need to have a degree of rational design to them in order for players to call it 'realistic'. It doesn't take a huge suspension of disbelief to see a hulking troll lumbering across a rocky landscape dragging a giant club behind it - it's not difficult to imagine that scene in our world as it follows the rules of things we are familiar with. However, if that same troll could walk on air, eat the moon, and shoot diamond-studded chainsaws from it's eyes, we would all say that's pretty unrealistic.

Likewise, most of the fundamental forces in our daily lives (ie. weather, gravity, light life, death, the behavior of common plants and animals, sound waves, the Sun, Moon, wind, physics, the flow of energy, etc..), can be tweaked a bit in a gaming world without infringing on the realism too much. If carried too far - however - the players will require a logical explanation in order to retain realism and consistency.

While we expect that our games be realistic and lifelike in many things, there is another realistic part of life that we would rather not deal with in our games. The burdensome or uncomfortable parts of life such as Hunger, Poverty, Fatigue, Disease, Injury, Filth, Grime, Aging, Work, Pests, Disabilities, Decay, Ugliness, Bodily functions, real Death, etc.. are often omitted from even the most realistic games. When they do appear, they are used in a very deliberate way to enhance the player's experience in accordance with the game/world design or are confined to the realms of villains.

The Final Fantasy series has an extra layer of 'realism' in it. Namely, it has it's own mythos and history which has developed over many years and has become accepted as consistent with a FF universe. Certain things that might be considered unrealistic in other formats are forgiven in because of the history of the franchise. Similarity, many things that are commonly thought of as lifelike in other games can actually diminish the 'realism' of a Final Fantasy game.

[nasomi]

It's real in the fact that it's possible. it's real because all aspects are accounted for and explained, and there isn't rediculious crap that would be ocmpletely impossible, other than enima, which is why I'm in favor of the removal of enima in favor of mage teleports.

[Rubicon]

For example, FFXIV is more realistic than World of Warcraft.

Oh good, I can stop reading this post. You compared FFXIV with WoW which is an automatic stop reading for me. But to squeeze a bit out of your post, do you really think fighting something Ifrit's size is realistic compared to fighting a giant? What if they add Iron Giant or Behemoth to FFXIV? What about Ifrit's size compared to a Lalafell?

[Rau]

Joke topic with serious posts... Well played OP.

[Roaran]

Oh good, I can stop reading this post. You compared FFXIV with WoW which is an automatic stop reading for me. But to squeeze a bit out of your post, do you really think fighting something Ifrit's size is realistic compared to fighting a giant? What if they add Iron Giant or Behemoth to FFXIV? What about Ifrit's size compared to a Lalafell?

I was illustrating the degrees of realism. On one hand if you fight something 100x your size vs 5x your size, which is more plausible? I was trying to be as clear and concise as possible, sorry if I failed on that front.

I could easily have compared great buffalo with Dodore, but because the distinction is more obvious when comparing with World of Warcraft, I chose to do so. If you could explain why it is wrong to compare FFXIV with WoW, please enlighten.

[Wolfie]

'Realism' is a cop-out answer given by people who dislike creativity and progress, and would like to have FFXI with prettier graphics. It's usually not related to actual realism.

Months ago during the swimming and jumping debates, people called those two actions unrealistic. Same with stylized weapons from Ifrit. Same with new crafting recipes. Same with crafting animations.

[Roaran]

'Realism' is a cop-out answer given by people who dislike creativity and progress, and would like to have FFXI with prettier graphics. It's usually not related to actual realism.

Months ago during the swimming and jumping debates, people called those two actions unrealistic. Same with stylized weapons from Ifrit. Same with new crafting recipes. Same with crafting animations.

I would actually argue, the weapons from Ifrit are fairly realistic. You have to grant that in a Fantasy game, you will encounter some fairly spectacular monsters... Ifrit being one of them. That said, given the design of Ifrit and the fact that his horn's are the basis for the weapons themselves, the weapons should reflect the design elements of Ifrit.

It would be implausible for the weapon to not resemble Ifrit and his horn, unless a specific explanation was given. For example, say the weapons were from the NPC rather than Ifrit himself.

I think it's clear at this point there are two viewpoints of Realism: one of which actually representing the real world, and one that represents degrees of plausibility. While you can mix the two, they are distinct.

[Mishakai]

I thought the game was Final Fantasy, not Final Realism...

[Zenaku]

I thought the game was Final Fantasy, not Final Realism...

Maybe you missing the point final fantasy is a high fantasy game and within the game everything look very realistic Like a body or legs you can see small detail and you can say oh. This Body is made from Iron and leather boar with some Steel mix into it. The mobs you can see the skin and see the detail on it like how you would in real life so it have that realism feel like you would see in real life from a bird,boar or anything. So yes it's a fantasy game but the base of the game everything within it look really real with great detail so that where the realism of the game come from.

If people have not yet found out that what we saying about realism is really like then i don't know if you trolling or just don't get it. They may not be chocobo in real life but the way it move and the feather are very realistic. Now most mobs you could find in real life like Dodo they are real there no longer on the earth but there real they even some chocobo like bird found lol but that not the realism we talking about we talking about how realistic the skin,feather and many other thing look very real like.

with 2.0 most of us think this small detail and realism would be lost just so low end pc can play. Most of us hoping that high end pc still can get the same level of feel and the art work of overall game don't switch over looking like aion or tera.