Co-Op Dungeons (for DoW/DoM and DoL)

[RemVye]

Same for the regular dungeon. *cough* Iffrit (hyper) with the "safe" spots *cough*

I didn't dismiss his argument. All content in general has a method to winning, once that's figured out... it's cake mode.

Although it's funny, despite tons of posts about Ifrit and what to do... people still haven't beaten it, people still wipe all the time, people are still doing it.

[Estellios]

Having to switch between DoW/DoM for fighting and DoL within a dungeon is kinda dumb. If you're not forced into DoL for the entire run the dungeon just might as well be for DoW/DoM only and cut out the bs involved in switching to a class in order to craft a key that could just drop from an enemy or gather an item that could just drop from an enemy.

DoL/DoH should have their own seperate dungeons/instanced-type stuff.

[RemVye]

Having to switch between DoW/DoM for fighting and DoL within a dungeon is kinda dumb. If you're not forced into DoL for the entire run the dungeon just might as well be for DoW/DoM only and cut out the bs.

DoL/DoH should have their own seperate dungeons/instanced-type stuff.

/agree

/thread

[Nakiamiie]

so why havent you beat it

I don't yet have sentinel for Hellfire?

[RemVye]

I don't yet have sentinel for Hellfire?

You don't need it.

[Griss]

You don't need it.

it just REALLY helps.

[Estellios]

I don't yet have sentinel for Hellfire?

You can try to get~ 2400ish HP minimum without food/party buffs, it should give you enough with those buffs to survive Hellfire. I don't have Hellfire and my CNJ survives it as long as my HP is full, I have 2600ish normally and 3k with food and party buff.

[Nakiamiie]

You don't need it.

I know that, but as an archer with only Defender and Rampart, it is rather difficult. The point is, the safe spots makes the rest of the fight easier (which is a good a thing from a casual point of view).

Of course that would happen to in a mixed dungeon. Almost impossible synthesis that most people fail (Hellfire) and puzzle parts solved before even entering the dungeon (safe spots). It will happen no matter type of dungeon.

Still, I don't see it as a valid reason to dismiss mixed (or DoH/L) dungeons.

I understand it would not be the cup of tea of everyone, just like many other features.
But the reasons Yoshi-P stated are not really problems, it only seems like they haven't fully explored the question yet (proof of that is that he speaks as if people were stuck with a single class, it's not the case. Even players with main class as DoL or DoH also have battle classes).
I believe it is worth exploring the idea and finding the proper combination that will make it a new type of challenge.

[Reinheart]

I'm one of those that supported dungeon ideas like this one, still would like to see if its possible. YoshiP said might try one so I don't see nothing wrong in people giving ideas for it. Might not happen for a loooong time though.

[Rubicon]

Why don't we just wait for more in-depth and engaging raid content so we can have more content instead of convoluting the existing content.