WHM/ Plenary Indulgence?

[Ghishlain]

Question for the WHMs in this thread. How does this ability function with other WHM do Confessions stacks get muddled with 2 WHM in a group?

Each WHM gets an individual buff listing the number of confessions they've applied. In a double WHM comp this means it's possible to see two confession buffs which can lead to confusion.

I find the easiest way to mitigate this confusion is to not look at the confession stacks and instead just keep an eye on your Plenary Indulgence cooldown instead. Since you're guaranteed application it's pretty easy to count how many stacks you'll have after you AoE heal a few times. That way you can just ignore the buff icon itself and just focus on using it when you see the skill itself is off CD. If someone doesn't get an application because they're too far away then chances are they'll also be out of range of your PI as well and it's kinda their loss if the WHM is positioned properly for maximum effective range.

[Mirateski]

I use plenary in the normal mode 8mans as well, not that you really need it. Honestly though my biggest gripe is when the blm (it's always a blm) has decided to stand Right Over There when everyone else is on susano's butt, so I have to use medica instead of cure3.

I just recently swapped roles with my static's healer so I'm healing 2s as well as 1s, honestly my biggest problem is trying not to plenary just before he detonates his earthly star, then we both cry because he's used to healing with a sch.

[Sebazy]

The main use I find for PI outside of Savage is as a chaser for Medica II on the bosses with repeating AOEs, not so much for the AOE itself but as a free delayed OGCD 3K heal on the tank, it's not a huge amount by any stretch, but it all adds up in avoiding ever needing to cast a single target heal on the tank.

[Risvertasashi]

Oh SHoot. I was hoping WHM gained something that makes them not function well with their own class. Like SCH and Shields, and AST and card buffs. Guess hoping that Confessions stacks from other WHM overwrote your own was hoping for too much.

...why the arbitrary WHM hate? It's barely holding on to being acceptable anyways, what with other healers and their DPS buffs.

If you really wanted a hate fueled WHM nerf, you'd want to take a tip from pvp: make regen/medica 2 not stack.

[Maltothoris]

Oh SHoot. I was hoping WHM gained something that makes them not function well with their own class. Like SCH and Shields, and AST and card buffs. Guess hoping that Confessions stacks from other WHM overwrote your own was hoping for too much.

Well remember Whm has no inherent party utility or mitigation. If there were the case, it means that Regens and medica 2 ticks wouldn't stack and that would screw a lot of groups that would get double whm on trial roulette. So in order to lessen the detriment, they're allowed to so do, Case if they didn't stop it with regen and medica 2 ticks, they're not stopping that with anything else.

[Silver-Strider]

Honestly though my biggest gripe is when the blm (it's always a blm) has decided to stand Right Over There when everyone else is on susano's butt, so I have to use medica instead of cure3.
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You're far kinder than me as I'll just Cure 3 and by the 2nd hit they realize they aren't getting healed and run to me XD.

On topic, I still hate the skill. Even in savage I don't feel that the skill is all that good and has never particularly been life saving or even very useful in my experience. You say underrated, I say trash.

[Darkplanet]

Of course it definitely is a powerful skill especially in savage and ex battles. The 1 thing I would currently change about the skill:

1.) make confessions last 15 secs at the least. Many times during especially 3.0s I've had confessions run out 1 second before my next medica goes out. Even if you time it *perfectly* the lag on some characters may make it miss them in time. 15 sec gives you just a little more leeway and strategy in planning your heals thro various mechanics. (I think others have been saying this too) and I think 15 secs is pretty fair not too overpowered and just makes timing heals between mechniacs a little less frustrating.

So yea 15 sec, I would be happy as a whm main. I mean i love the class and that's not changing just a little quality of life sorta thing. And well hey I would love 30 seconds lol but unlikely to happen so 15 is good.

On a lesser note it would be nice for some sort of single target mechanic for dungeons but it's not that big of a deal I don't think.

[KDSilver]

Plenary Indulgence is great. It's free, it's instant, it's a bonus and cost nothing more.

It's very good when you have to move but heal at the same time.
It's very good when you need to heal everyone at full before a big aoe mechanic that hurts.
It's very good when you had to heal to much that you have 3 stack, which mean one more big heal at 450 potency within the next 10 secondes.

So, in other words, you can see and use it differently depending the content.

In any case, it's great WHM have this !

[Clouse_Cleyra]

Its a raid skill. If you are not raiding you wont see it.

[Risvertasashi]

Its a raid skill. If you are not raiding you wont see it.

...I do feel like this conversation was pretty similar to Asylum just after Heavensward hit. I think, in general, if you're doing content where you only need 1, 2, 3... a number of the more advanced and/or nuanced skills will seem superfluous.