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  1. #111
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    That doesn't seem to make much of a difference - Even in games where DPS are on perma-CC duty and failure is obvious by the fact the enemy is not stunned/electrified/a sheep or whatever, DPS dominate the population.
    ha i honestly havent a clue cause if you look at something like xenos all tank savage runs and primal runs, it shows the power of a tank at least in this game and it seems they are actually the strongest job in the game. But even still its undesired as someone who plays every job I really dont understand the appeal of dps over the other rolls. Its nothing that stands out to me that seems so amazing that Id rather not play the other two rolls but maybe thats just me. Especially considering the 30 min wait times dps have, I dont see how busy people can even tolerate this its def not that amazing to wait 30 mins just to do a dungeon just so I can play dps only I guess its something Ill never understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
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    Have you ever even pulled a group of like 10 mobs, used Inner Release > Berserk > Decimate 6 times in a row?!

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  3. #113
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    You need to at least learn how to do big pulls and be comfortable with it, you don't have to enjoy every single second of it. If you have a party that wants to do big pulls and is capable of it, it's not really your place to hold the party hostage just because you don't feel like it. Don't be selfish. Though I don't really pug often (and I definitely don't pug as a tank, no thanks), so I guess protocol would be to ask at the beginning.
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  4. #114
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jollyy5 View Post
    Have you ever even pulled a group of like 10 mobs, used Inner Release > Berserk > Decimate 6 times in a row?!

    Kinky.....
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    The price of solving everything is everything.
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    Roe, no question. Why be a kitten when you can be a goddess?

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    Kerrath Ellouelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    It's most commonly a role you give to those characters you deem worthless and people typically don't identify with such.
    really? i picked tanking because i wanted to be the protagonist. the tank is the one who trades blows with the big bad. the tank is the most prominent and leaderly member of the group.

    dps are just some sneaky backstabbers.
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    Last edited by Kerrath; 09-16-2017 at 08:33 AM.

  6. #116
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hruodig View Post
    You need to at least learn how to do big pulls and be comfortable with it, you don't have to enjoy every single second of it. If you have a party that wants to do big pulls and is capable of it, it's not really your place to hold the party hostage just because you don't feel like it. Don't be selfish. Though I don't really pug often (and I definitely don't pug as a tank, no thanks), so I guess protocol would be to ask at the beginning.
    So let me get this straight: theoretically, I would be being selfish for not wanting to pull big, because eirher I or the healer am not geared or am otherwise unconfortable in doing big pulls, but you aren't being selfish in demanding I pull big. Right. Gotcha.
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  7. #117
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    Quote Originally Posted by KalinOrthos View Post
    So let me get this straight: theoretically, I would be being selfish for not wanting to pull big, because eirher I or the healer am not geared or am otherwise unconfortable in doing big pulls, but you aren't being selfish in demanding I pull big. Right. Gotcha.
    Undergeared or underskilled is a whole other factor, and you know it. This is about wants, pure and simple.

    And when it comes to wants, there is one rule: majority rules. If 3 people want a speedrun, and you don't, it's time to be an adult and go along with them.

    And, generally, that's how DF goes. I think I've had one or two groups over my career that really wanted to take it slow for some reason. I've had plenty that couldn't handle big pulls, but again, that's an issue of can't, not of won't. Adjust to what your team can handle naturally, but the goal of any content is the same: OPTIMIZE it. That means big pulls, it means AoE rotations, it means Healer DPS.
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  8. #118
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonseth07 View Post
    Undergeared or underskilled is a whole other factor, and you know it. This is about wants, pure and simple.
    Except it's not. The OP, at the time if posting this, was underleveled and, as is the case with leveling a tank, relatively undergeared. Regardless of whether or not you can handle pulls in lower level content, he was having issues with larger pulls. Once a tank hits Bardam's Mettle, too, they're no longer going to be able to pull big until they get at-level greens or HQ whites, because the mobs there hit like trucks. But jerks like you, like so many of the DPS I personally have seen, don't care; yiu're too focused on getting everything done nownownownow, and screw what the tank thinks or is capable of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KalinOrthos View Post
    Except it's not. The OP, at the time if posting this, was underleveled and, as is the case with leveling a tank, relatively undergeared. Regardless of whether or not you can handle pulls in lower level content, he was having issues with larger pulls. Once a tank hits Bardam's Mettle, too, they're no longer going to be able to pull big until they get at-level greens or HQ whites, because the mobs there hit like trucks. But jerks like you, like so many of the DPS I personally have seen, don't care; yiu're too focused on getting everything done nownownownow, and screw what the tank thinks or is capable of.
    Capable of and thinks are totally different. One matters, the other probably doesn't. What a party CAN do is extremely relevant. Big pulls when undergeared or with a crappy team only slows you down, the opposite of what you want. What someone WANTS to do is totally different and again comes down to majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonseth07 View Post
    Capable of and thinks are totally different. One matters, the other probably doesn't. What a party CAN do is extremely relevant. Big pulls when undergeared or with a crappy team only slows you down, the opposite of what you want. What someone WANTS to do is totally different and again comes down to majority.
    I like how you latch onto one itty bitty statement on my post and disregard anything else I said, and simply handwaving my issues away as something that "probably doesn't" matter.
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