Scholar Feedback

[inhaledcorn]

How are they supposed to balance jobs, then?

But that's not the point. The guy said that sch is "too weak" in sb. How? Can people making this assertion provide some proof or some data to back it up?

Something a little more convincing than "job x is clunky and weak because I'm having trouble with it and I don't care if other players can do amazing things with said job, as long as I can't the job is weak".

The whole point of the streamlining of jobs was to reduce button bloat and to reduce the gap between the skill floor and the skill ceiling, yet the Scholar's gap is still very much there. And, as Miles mentions, Scholar struggles during progression but kills it in Farm. To balance a job solely around the idea that the job is always going to play perfectly is why people are upset with Summoner and Dragoon as well.

[Lastelli]

The whole point of the streamlining of jobs was to reduce button bloat and to reduce the gap between the skill floor and the skill ceiling, yet the Scholar's gap is still very much there. And, as Miles mentions, Scholar struggles during progression but kills it in Farm. To balance a job solely around the idea that the job is always going to play perfectly is why people are upset with Summoner and Dragoon as well.

As a drg main, I can assure you that there's nothing wrong with the job, it's actually very interesting. And there's nothing wrong with the idea of a complex healer (or a complex job in general) that requires a more skilled player or party to perform well, especially if in those cases that healer is required in an optimal composition. We can't have powerful jobs that are easy to use while still being optimal in my opinion. Which is why I think that healers are very well balanced right now. WHM is the easiest by far, no weird skills, just powerful healing and damage spells. You like to have it for progression because it gives an extra security buffer and after that you'd rather have ast/sch. AST has a straightforward healing toolkit, but also has to properly manage cards and this adds an extra challenge to the job. SCH requires more meticulous planning and execution, it's a high risk high reward job. I'm ok with some qol fixes, like a better responsiveness of the fairies or slightly reduced mp cost for shields to help less skilled sch that still use adlo and succor way more than they should, but other than that the job really is fine as it is. Increasing sch healing output is very dangerous because it would probably result in whm losing is precious "progression healer" spot, unless they start making healing in this job a real challenge...but this is a different topic.

[Jollyy5]

Honestly, I'd have a lot better time if the fairy wasn't such a dingleberry, it feels like she's too busy stuffing gravel into her nose to do as she's told.

[Mrydeen]

Honestly, I'd have a lot better time if the fairy wasn't such a dingleberry, it feels like she's too busy stuffing gravel into her nose to do as she's told.

I agree. IMO, all of the fairy's ability needs to be either (castable while she is moving) or (downright instant) My healing macros invoking the fairy usually includes 5 lines of fey spamming, 1 line of rouse and another 8 lines of fey regen.

Or they could change fairy's heel command to one that immediately "rescues" the fairy and puts it right next to the SCH.

[technole]

I agree. IMO, all of the fairy's ability needs to be either (castable while she is moving) or (downright instant) My healing macros invoking the fairy usually includes 5 lines of fey spamming, 1 line of rouse and another 8 lines of fey regen.

Or they could change fairy's heel command to one that immediately "rescues" the fairy and puts it right next to the SCH.

Um no, you don't cast heals while you are moving unless is an oGCD or Swiftcast. Why don't you learn to place your fairy like you are supposed to.

It's intentional design, some SCHs are so willy-nilly at moving around so much when they don't need to, and lose several Embraces. Or they don't place when it's appropriate especially with heavy moving mechanics.

[AbstractLemons]

Scholar does seem to do much better in 8 man content yet pull their hair out with basic dungeon content which is content that gets played most of the time is why I'm not all that happy with sch.

[plasmacutter]

Aoe heal kit needs an overhaul from a fluidity perspective

with the exception of tank healing..
If you're casting shields, you anticipate damage: healing is redundant
If you're casting heals, you're healing damage already received: Shielding is redundant

Given this, I recommend the following:
Succor now straight heal
Indom now straight shield (still capable of critical, even if potency needs adjustment - SCH is crit-centric)


I keep reading 3 things all over threads like this:
1 - Stormblood is supposed to remove complexity
2 - Adlo's mana cost is too high for what it does
3 - Faerie healing is difficult to balance

With this in mind, and with the suggested stream-lining above:
1 - Remove deployment tactics.
2 - restore pre-SB Adlo cost ratios
3 - sacred soil dmg reduction increased from 10% to 20%

If these changes make sch too powerful replace embrace w/ a strong shield that the faerie only applies when a target drops under 21% HP @ 60-120s cd

[inhaledcorn]

Aoe heal kit needs an overhaul from a fluidity perspective

with the exception of tank healing..
If you're casting shields, you anticipate damage: healing is redundant
If you're casting heals, you're healing damage already received: Shielding is redundant

Given this, I recommend the following:
Succor now straight heal
Indom now straight shield (still capable of critical, even if potency needs adjustment - SCH is crit-centric)


I keep reading 3 things all over threads like this:
1 - Stormblood is supposed to remove complexity
2 - Adlo's mana cost is too high for what it does
3 - Faerie healing is difficult to balance

With this in mind, and with the suggested stream-lining above:
1 - Remove deployment tactics.
2 - restore pre-SB Adlo cost ratios
3 - sacred soil dmg reduction increased from 10% to 20%

If these changes make sch too powerful replace embrace w/ a strong shield that the faerie only applies when a target drops under 21% HP @ 60-120s cd

Alternatively, instead of removing Deployment and getting rid of our oGCD AoE heal (which the other two jobs have, btw), why not make Deployment Tactics make the next Adlo/Succor apply shields?

[plasmacutter]

Shields and heals fall under the same category of "added effective health", and sch is supposed to be specialized in shields (and "catching" players whose HP are falling fast with spells like lustrate).

Further, shielding is about timing and galvanize doesn't stack, making the instant cast and CD on indom perfect for my proposed change.

As such, I contend this is not a loss of an oGCD AoE heal but a shift in its nature.

A good compromise, however, would be to make Indom a shield which slowly regens HP over time at the cost of equivalent mitigation. (starts out all shield, after the first 3s -X to shield, +X to player HP, repeat until gone)

If anything, I think deployment tactics needs to be replaced with something to increase damage output while soloing. It's taking FOR EVER to kill things as I move further into heavensward content.

[technole]

If you think SCH takes forever to kill things doing solo content you haven't played the healer job that does the least personal dps and with only one DoT: Astrologian.


Deployment is the best healer progression skill. SCH can recover from a raid spaghetti mess just because of that skill.