[Request] Please Suspend Housing Demolition for NA

[Sarteck]

To auto-demos? All the time.

Well, I specifically meant regarding disasters. And although I disagree with the removal of auto-demos (unless they can put in another system where housing would be available to those of us that weren't here at the start), at least you're not saying it's because a "lack of compassion."

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Preparation: I grew up in Florida. Been there, done that. We still had more than 5 minutes of spare time before, during, and after prep. This argument is irrelevant.

Scope: Sorry, but I'm not quite sure you know what you are talking about here. Hell, even some of my FC members *in* Florida were online last night. It's QUITE localized, certainly not statewide. The Harvey destruction was also quite localized.

Category: You do realize that it made landfall as a Cat 4 and was quickly downgraded to Cat 3, right? Just saying, because you seem to have worded it as if it hit as a Cat 5.

"Telling people they should have planned for this..."--I think this is arguing for the delay of Shirogane, not the delay of auto-demolish, so I don't see the relevance. But I'll address it anyways--by the time 4.1 comes out, I'm quite certain that the overwhelming majority of the chaos caused by the storm will be addressed in one fashion or another. Having lived through quite a few hurricanes myself, I'd be surprised if Florida suddenly went backwards and didn't realize how to deal with the aftermath. Therefore, I would have to say "No, I don't think it's cold at all."

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Just to make it clear, though; although I'm opposed to the idea of the delay, what really grinds my gears is the people saying "zOMG you're HEARTLESS if you don't agree!" I could still live with it if they did decide to delay it, just don't think it's a particularly good idea.

[Aronys]

So... who decides which natural catastrophy or even war and destruction qualifies for a pause in auto demolition? If something like this happens in a third world country, do the timers stop? There's constant war in the Middle East and people lose homes all the time due to it, some may even be players. Do we stop it for them too? Or is it only convenient to stop it when it's Japan and USA? There were fires in Europe this past summer too, my own country's coast was in flames and towns were almost wiped out because of it, they're still fighting some of the fires there. Where was the pause then? Or is the rest of the world not important enough because we don't have as many players as Japan and NA do?

I'm sorry that the hurricane hit you, and that you have fires on the other side of the country, but... like... hurricanes happen every year, it's called hurricane season for a reason. Do we stop the timer every year because something somewhere could inconvenience someone? If we do that, then the timers would never even start, if we would pause it for every single disaster that hits anywhere in the world. If there's an earthquake in South America, which doesn't have as many players as NA, do we stop it then or would the people in NA not like that?

[ShadowHunterrX]

If there was a toggle to turn off the auto-demo for the states/country's who got hit. It wil be a fantasic idea... but i dont think they have .

@Aronys
You are totally right.

This won't ever happen for NA players. All I can say if your house is going to be Demolished ask a friend to possibly hold it for you.

Only JP players get the luxury to have auto-demo suspended.

*Ow hy Jxnibbels. My irl house got destroyed , so can you hold my ingame house for me*

Is this compassion , empathy or.... sorry , is this game so important for you guys ?

I leave this here .

[Krotoan]

Well, I specifically meant regarding disasters. And although I disagree with the removal of auto-demos (unless they can put in another system where housing would be available to those of us that weren't here at the start), at least you're not saying it's because a "lack of compassion."


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Just to make it clear, though; although I'm opposed to the idea of the delay, what really grinds my gears is the people saying "zOMG you're HEARTLESS if you don't agree!" I could still live with it if they did decide to delay it, just don't think it's a particularly good idea.

Irrelevant to you, in your experience. Not everyone has the presence of mind to think of their virtual world first. For those that swap to real concerns first, even 5 minutes of logging into a game doesn't even cross their minds.

Cat 5 landing on Cuba. then it worked up florida. I am not only advocating for the U.S.A. Theres a few places that got hit.


There are parts of each state that were untouched, true. But as I also said, those are big states. It's not an insignificant part of each state that was affected. Large swaths were evacuated. The destruction wasn't minimal and there were also people who took the opportunity to loot which did just as much damage as the storm.

I am not arguing for shirogane, though I can concede you may read it that way. October is far away and as long as nothing more happens.. (one more hurricane out there *knock on wood*) they SHOULD be back on track soon. Or at least the majority should be underway. But some places were hit hard, and some non hurricane disasters are still going : http://projects.oregonlive.com/wildf...4.190/-120.700 . It has been a really shitty month for a lot of people. I don't want people to miss out of the new area because they needed to deal with acts of god (or teenagers with matches). BUT I get that the rest of the world has been waiting too. My main argument is for the housing demo delay, its a small thing that would mean one less worry for a lot of people.

Knowing what to do, and the actual process's timetable aren't very well correlated. Sure you know how to clean up , but the process of hauling away debris, cleaning up flooding damage and rebuilding has time constraints and manpower constraints. When you get a few cities worth of destruction to deal with, resources get stretched thin. I work for a major utility in my state, after we had a hurricane blow through (minor one) , some people were without power for weeks simply because there weren't enough workers to get to it all quickly enough.

I'm surprised at the amount of people arguing against such a small thing that would affect them so very little (demo pause).

So... who decides which natural catastrophy or even war and destruction qualifies for a pause in auto demolition? If something like this happens in a third world country, do the timers stop? There's constant war in the Middle East and people lose homes all the time due to it, some may even be players. Do we stop it for them too? Or is it only convenient to stop it when it's Japan and USA? There were fires in Europe this past summer too, my own country's coast was in flames and towns were almost wiped out because of it, they're still fighting some of the fires there. Where was the pause then? Or is the rest of the world not important enough because we don't have as many players as Japan and NA do?

I'm sorry that the hurricane hit you, and that you have fires on the other side of the country, but... like... hurricanes happen every year, it's called hurricane season for a reason. Do we stop the timer every year because something somewhere could inconvenience someone? If we do that, then the timers would never even start, if we would pause it for every single disaster that hits anywhere in the world. If there's an earthquake in South America, which doesn't have as many players as NA, do we stop it then or would the people in NA not like that?

I doubt very much that anyone in the war torn parts of the middle east has time or money to play video games or that they could imagine something frivolous like NOT worrying about not getting shot or where they're going to get food from tomorrow.

Where was the pause? Did you post a thread asking for it? Did people argue against it if you did? Those people are jerks! I would have thrown my vote in for you wholeheartedly.

Why in the world would I be opposed to halting such a small thing for other countries/areas? GO AHEAD, but what most of us in this thread are suggesting is a gesture from SE to the people affected by recent unusually large disasters hitting many areas at once. The rest of us lose very little if all they do is pause the Demo timer. I understand the outcry at the suggestion of delaying shirogane, though I feel that is a little selfish to argue AGAINST, I don't expect people to be all that altruistic (and nobody HAS to be) so I wasn't surprised at that.

Do you want them to quantify the affected player limit for pausing the demo timer? Do you want to hear "sorry, you're not part of japan so no!". This isn't about hard numbers or passing a threshold of some type, it's about suggesting a gesture of kindness to people in a time of need while also spending very little actual money and time on it. It's a small thing that would mean something to these people.


Shit does happen everyday to many people, this doesn't mean we should never do anything about it. Someone suggested a nice thing and you wonder why people get a little prickly when you argue that you didn't get your bit, so they shouldn't get theirs?

[Rinuko]

If there was a toggle to turn off the auto-demo for the states/country's who got hit. It wil be a fantasic idea... but i dont think they have .

@Aronys
You are totally right.



*Ow hy Jxnibbels. My irl house got destroyed , so can you hold my ingame house for me*

Is this compassion , empathy or.... sorry , is this game so important for you guys ?

I leave this here .

I'm surprised they didnt have a player warning in XIV. Though at the same im glad. It always anoyed me when i wanted to play XI lol

[Raqrie_Tohka]

Hmm well if I were SE I'd bring this up to the overheads who'd bring it up to the core parent company overheads who'd take about a week to debate it at the next bulletin meeting who'd refer a lower position specialist to be responsible to lead the department responsible to conduct a minor investigation who'd submit a report at the next meeting and then there will be a formal procedure to discuss action and action will be discussed and then a summary of policy points will be relayed to the operating company who will conduct its own investigation which will tell it whether this is feasible or not from both current and past events and what impacts it will bring to the operation of the game in the future and then they will formulate an execution plan which will be summarized into the next main bulletin meeting which will be approved (conditionally) by the parent company which will then be assigned to the next update plan and then tentatively carried out.

By then this thread will have been up for about a month. So go nuts arguing here, if you will.

But if it was an earthquake in Japan, it'll probably go like this:

Producer phones higher-up at parent company responsible for this game. "How you doing, you ok with the earthquake? Ye, I understand, good to hear. Ye, I heard about it too. Mhm we know, we're suspending Titan release for sensitivity issues, you probably saw it in the last report. Oh oh, don't thank me, it's my job. Oh btw, some of our players got affected by the earthquake as well. Ye, it seems we should do something for them more personally too. Yes, of course we can do that, our game does stress interpersonal interaction more, that I understand, I'll personally write to them. Yes, we'll definitely do it. Ok, talk later."

Approval in less than an hour. Japanese efficiency for you. Only for Japanese earthquakes.

[Aronys]

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Why do westerners think that anyone who isn't in a first world country is probably struggling to find food? What arrogance. I've been through a war, and I still played games.

Again, who decides when a distaster is big enough for a demo timer pause, and when it's not? A gesture is nice. But if they do one gesture, then everyone who have any hardships could expect that kind of gesture. Will they get it? Records say no. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the timers did stop for NA players, as Japan loves USA. On the other hand, if something happens somewhere else, I wouldn't bet on anything of the sort to happen. I may come off as salty or even cynical, but I'm speaking from experience. And records do show that kind of attitude towards the rest of the world. Now, imagine if the hurricane missed USA, but still wrecked the Carribbean. Would this thread exist? Of course not. Because people in those places don't have a sense of entitlement, as they're used to big countries not really caring about them. Heck, your own Puerto Rico got slammed last week and it took you guys until the hurricane reached Florida to start this thread. FYI, Puerto Rico is USA. So yeah, doubt there would be a thread if it was only Puerto Rico.

[Jxnibbles]

If there was a toggle to turn off the auto-demo for the states/country's who got hit. It wil be a fantasic idea... but i dont think they have .

@Aronys
You are totally right.



*Ow hy Jxnibbels. My irl house got destroyed , so can you hold my ingame house for me*

Is this compassion , empathy or.... sorry , is this game so important for you guys ?

I leave this here .

Exactky how did you come to the conclusion that this game is so important. Just because I stated players should ask friends to hold houses if things go bad for said players. ;Thinking;

[Texa]

Heck, your own Puerto Rico got slammed last week and it took you guys until the hurricane reached Florida to start.

Unless the hurricane was dropping PS4s and gaming PCs instead of rain before it hit full-on I don't think many people in Puerto Rico were playing this game there at that time.

More people live in Texas, Oregon, and Florida and more people play video games there. More people here know others that do. Houston specifically was going to host a big ff xiv event before it was cancelled before Harvey hit.

You are always very keen to talk down on others when issues like this come up but all that you ever really do is highlight your own lack of empathy and willingness to use the misfortune of others as a hollow talking point.

[Mysticales]

Why on God's green Earth would you be worried about your in-game house if you were in fact, a victim of a natural disaster?

Sometimes.. for mental stability.. You need ONE thing to anchor on. Something that CAN be in your "control" while the rest of your life is spinning out of control.

Same concept why people go out for a smoke break. That stability or mental vent to calm down etc.

To some people.. they lost their house, their pets. Now they come back to their online social community where they may find some peace.. only to learn they lost everything in the game too.