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  1. #11881
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    Lilseph's Avatar
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    Shadow Link
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    Mateus
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    If you pull instead of me, or pull more mobs while I am tank I will let you die by pull. I don't care if you are the healer, you pull you tank that pull. It is not rage or any other kind of malice, it is policy. Last time a red mage pulled I walked past him and wen't as if nothing ever happened. Only way people will learn is to teach them harshly. Once you are dead I will pull him off the group, but otherwise you deserve to die, or practice tanking on your mage.
    I don't know why it's so hard for people to ask "Hey, can you pull more?" instead. You know, using this MMO feature called "chat". It happened to me when I was in Bardam's with my GF as a DRK. The SAM and the AST were clearly together, and said SAM was running ahead pulling more. It was annoying. My GF was remembering how to tank on DRK, since she plays healers/casters the most. It was really rude of them.
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  2. #11882
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    Camiie's Avatar
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    Camille Blythe
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    Ultros
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    Samurai Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilseph View Post
    I don't know why it's so hard for people to ask "Hey, can you pull more?" instead. You know, using this MMO feature called "chat".
    In addition to that, accept it if they answer no.
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  3. #11883
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    Galaktica's Avatar
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    Evermillion Mariposa
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    Ultros
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilseph View Post
    I don't know why it's so hard for people to ask "Hey, can you pull more?" instead. You know, using this MMO feature called "chat".
    I'm also baffled by this. I wonder if it's just an NA thing or if EU, Japan, Korea, and China suffer from the same problem. People on NA servers just seem insanely passive aggressive. It takes, at most, maybe 2 seconds to ask the tank to pull more, but so many people just flat out refuse to do it and just decide to do their own thing.

    The game is built almost entirely around the concept of cooperating with people and somehow, it's like people queue up for DF and just assume, "well, obviously, everyone is gong to do things my way."
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  4. #11884
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    Camiie's Avatar
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    Camille Blythe
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    Ultros
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    Samurai Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Galaktica View Post
    I'm also baffled by this. I wonder if it's just an NA thing or if EU, Japan, Korea, and China suffer from the same problem. People on NA servers just seem insanely passive aggressive. It takes, at most, maybe 2 seconds to ask the tank to pull more, but so many people just flat out refuse to do it and just decide to do their own thing.

    The game is built almost entirely around the concept of cooperating with people and somehow, it's like people queue up for DF and just assume, "well, obviously, everyone is gong to do things my way."
    Because people seem to join DF with preconceived notions that should be reserved for PF, which is where such things can be stated up front.
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  5. #11885
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    msfakefur's Avatar
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    Lizha Rhid
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    Masamune
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    Astrologian Lv 66
    Quote Originally Posted by Galaktica View Post
    I'm also baffled by this. I wonder if it's just an NA thing or if EU, Japan, Korea, and China suffer from the same problem. People on NA servers just seem insanely passive aggressive. It takes, at most, maybe 2 seconds to ask the tank to pull more, but so many people just flat out refuse to do it and just decide to do their own thing.
    I have an alt on a Japanese server and can confirm people are extremely piloted and haven't seen anyone in 2 year playing willing pull more than the tank. Tanks set the pace of the dungeon and everyone follows without being a uneducated monkey. Even more, haven't seen anyone complain about a tank pulling too little
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  6. #11886
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    PandaMonium's Avatar
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    Panda E'monium
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    Cerberus
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by msfakefur View Post
    I have an alt on a Japanese server and can confirm people are extremely piloted and haven't seen anyone in 2 year playing willing pull more than the tank. Tanks set the pace of the dungeon and everyone follows without being a uneducated monkey. Even more, haven't seen anyone complain about a tank pulling too little
    Will second this. I made an alt on a Japanese server out of curiosity - wanted to compare the behavior on J and US servers. Doing DF and DR almost every day, there's nothing like running ahead of the tank, pulling instead of them no matter the pace, being rude or trying to establish your own order.
    One of the blowing my mind situations I had recently was when the tank forgot twice to pull down the chains in a dungeon (the 5 you have to pull to open the path), he apologized for like 5 minutes for it.
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  7. #11887
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    LittleSparrow's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Lilora Sparrow
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    Moogle
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Just has a Leviathan (Hard). Our White Mage was Holying single targets and our Astrologian went into Nocturnal sect even though we had a White Mage.
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  8. #11888
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    HyoMinPark's Avatar
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    Hyomin Park
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    Cactuar
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    Sage Lv 92
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleSparrow View Post
    Just has a Leviathan (Hard). Our White Mage was Holying single targets and our Astrologian went into Nocturnal sect even though we had a White Mage.
    But you don't need double regens for Levi HM. There's no issue with an AST going Noct sect with a WHM co-healer.

    Story time: tanks that choose to do large pulls while wearing 270 strength accessories in Temple of the Fist and when we wipe, they give passive aggressive comments about how healers should only heal. Perhaps you should wear decent accessories first, friend. ;D
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  9. #11889
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    Vidu's Avatar
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    Vidu Moriquendi
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 90
    So, yesterday me and a friend (me on scholar, hes on warrior) did Dun Scaith again - always good for a story!

    First off: I'll admit to being a tiny bit of an ass here straight away. But there is one thing in this game that really annoys me: skill-spam while people are still loading in. Wether its a healer casting protect over and over again or, well, or a dragoon using their stupid pole-dance-jump-thing. Its noisey, its annoying and it makes the person in question look as if they're unable to just sit still for a minute while people are loading in or watching cutscenes. I hate it.
    So this is Dun Scaith and of course we've got new people and for some reason loading in there takes a while too. The dragoon in our group is one of those and I'm pretty pissed, so I decide: I wont extra-heal or raise him. He gets group-aoe-heals, Selene and my healer-buddy can take care of him aswell but I wont target him. Shouldnt be needed anyways.
    As I said - I admit being a bit of an ass there and I was probably more pissed than I should have been, but geez was I annoyed. So it was kinda... satisfying to watch him die to doom each time Selene wouldnt auto-dispell. I dont feel to bad about it btw since my co-healer did shit and it would have been their job as much as mine to take care of those matters. After a while the dragoon - who has explained the whole doom-dispelling-stuff in chat even - realises that he must have pissed on of their healers off while the other one is just incompetent. So I get an apology (!) and keep an eye on him for the rest of the dungeon.

    People are still new however so we wipe to the first boss - and a paladin starts complaining how it sucks that you have to figure out mechanics through trial and error or have to read a guide. I mean, he could have just asked for help aswell, but apparently he'd like to have NPCs explain him the mechanics druing the fights. Like... seriously? Most dungeon-mechanics arent insta-kills and since they're getting repeated over and over and over again it shouldnt be to difficult to figure out new fights in normal content... I guess I just dont understand some people...
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  10. #11890
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    LittleSparrow's Avatar
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    Lilora Sparrow
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    Moogle
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    But you don't need double regens for Levi HM. There's no issue with an AST going Noct sect with a WHM co-healer.

    Story time: tanks that choose to do large pulls while wearing 270 strength accessories in Temple of the Fist and when we wipe, they give passive aggressive comments about how healers should only heal. Perhaps you should wear decent accessories first, friend. ;D
    Oh whoops, I meant he went Diurnal. Editing it! I stand corrected.
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