If DRG could have a wyvern and high DPS

[Fated]

This thread speaks otherwise. According to the poll, roughly 30% have no problem with wyverns. Of the remaining 70%, at least half appears to be against them only because their brain can't handle the fact that it's possible to implement a pet that can't die from AoEs, nor hold back the dragoon, nor require insane amounts of balancing.

So there are actually more people who don't have any problems with wyvern, as long as they are implemented correctly.

So basically you just extrapolated the data based on what you want the result to be?

[Vandark]

If Dragoon could keep it's DPS exactly as it is now staying as one of the best DPS in the game with there wyvern not effecting the DPS sure but unfortunately the wyvern would have to be close to useless if not Dragoon might get less abilities then other classes due to the fact there wyvern gets abilities and possibly do slightly less attack then it dose now. I don't think with a wyvern that they would simply just allow Dragoon to keep it's DPS, one way or another having the wyvern would give the Job a disadvantage.

If they added the wyvern as a pet you can fly on or fight on or something “I read this in another forum“, this would probably be a good way around it. A larger version then the wyvern in FFXI that you can use for other purposes other then fighting and is exclusive to Dragoon and still quested would be awesome. But a wyvern the same as FFXI would cause problems.

[Vandark]

first off if ANYBODY played ff11 and said DRG was not a high DMG job they should be shot and killed. That job is sick and had to be nerfed early on. Now ff11 all jobs balanced so nicely its sick.

Im am usually for everything yoshia says but this is stupid. You should be able to balance Drg with a wyvern since it was already done before in the last ff MMO.

I vote for wyven.

I actually Disagree highly with this, Dragoon was not always well balanced infact for the longest period it was an outcast in FFXI no one wanted it around. It only became a strong DPS later on when they updated it for the Treasures of Aht Urhgan expansion and became the best DPS for exp parties at the time.
For a long time Dragoon stayed a really good DPS possibly one of the best but then once more when Abyssea came out it had to be greatly nerved now it is not well balanced and is probably the worst DPS in the game.

Being main Dragoon for a very long time and noticing all it’s changes in FFXI, it was over powered in the beginning for a short time then nerved to the point of it being useless then very slowly grew and then fell massively. None of it’s growth mattered because early on it already lost it’s fame and people already had nothing to do with it. Just about the only real use you got out of it was exp parties fighting birds or using Algon in end game so others could deal more damage... yay -.-b

I still used it all the time but only because it was my frist job to 75 and I really cared about the job, I loved the solo capabilities the wyvern gave, and how much the healing breath really did help groups. Unfortunately the majority didn’t see a point in Dragoon and wanted nothing to do with it, this is my problem with it. The fact that even with the wyvern it could still be good but people simply won’t agree with you at all if you say it is.

I will also add that if your wyvern dies your only half a man LOL. You can call it as many times as you want on a big boss but every time you do it'll die pritty fast and have no use.

[Tyro]

I don't want a Wyvern even if has no efect on DRG dps potential because of the following:

1. Having a Wyvern is likely to prevent the devs from creating NEW abilities for DRG, or implementing OLD FF Lore skills like:

-Lancet (FFI, II, III),
-Reis' Wind (FFIX)
-Dragon's Crest (FFIX)
-Breath Weapons (FF Tactics)
-Dragonheart (Instant Reraise from FF Tactics)
-Hyper Jump (AoE Jump explosion from Cid's Limit Break in FFVII)
-Dragon Killer (FFIX)

2. Makes no sense getting dragon killer and having a Wyvern by your side.

3. Kain is the coolest DRG in FF history, and he didn't have a Wyvern.

4. If DRG is getting a pet, it should be an unique mount, nothing else.

5. Lets learn from past mistakes, in FFXI they added Wyvern as pet for DRG and eventually had to nerf the job for balancing... do we want that?

[Andrien]

I don't want a Wyvern even if has no efect on DRG dps potential because of the following:

1. Having a Wyvern is likely to prevent the devs from creating NEW abilities for DRG, or implementing OLD FF Lore skills like:

-Lancet (FFI, II, III),
-Reis' Wind (FFIX)
-Dragon's Crest (FFIX)
-Breath Weapons (FF Tactics)
-Dragonheart (Instant Reraise from FF Tactics)
-Hyper Jump (AoE Jump explosion from Cid's Limit Break in FFVII)
-Dragon Killer (FFIX)

2. Makes no sense getting dragon killer and having a Wyvern by your side.

3. Kain is the coolest DRG in FF history, and he didn't have a Wyvern.

4. If DRG is getting a pet, it should be an unique mount, nothing else.

5. Lets learn from past mistakes, in FFXI they added Wyvern as pet for DRG and eventually had to nerf the job for balancing... do we want that?

Quoted for truth.

Kain is the coolest. Watch how epic the battle gets when he uses jump. (The video is just an example)

Pay close attention to the name of his special attacks.

[Nuru]

I think what most people are failing to realize is that the Job System entails that the player utilizing the job system would be playing in a party. FFXI Dragoons had a Wyvern that was able to help DD or backup heal so that the Dragoon can solo enemies a bit better than other job classes.

However, since the Job System in FFXIV is intended to favor parties and not solo-play, then having a pet wyvern wouldn't be necessary. I'm not saying that wyvern has no place in FFXIV though, but it just doesn't make sense in terms of the surrounding environment. What I mean by this is, imagine walking around ishgard with your wyvern summoned. I am sure the "reality" of that would involve your wyvern being killed on the spot and you being questioned for dealing with the dragons.

I do know that after 2.0 there will be a different storyline, and the environments may change. Though right now, there isn't a place for a pet wyvern. There would probably be another branch off of Lancer for a pet class as Dragon Tamer/Master, but as for a Dragoon, they are known for killing and harnessing the power of dragons.

[ereskigal]

I'm not for drg getting pet but it call be add easily, the ppl of ishgard keep out siders out so they don't find out the true behind them killing the dragons for thier eggs and use raise babies as pets, once pets gets too big they release them, which over time made the dragons hate them. This just an example adding pet.

[syntaxlies]

the focus should be on the job, not a novelty pet

[Zantetsuken]

According to the poll, [...] only a minority of players want wyverns.

...there are actually more people who don't have any problems with want a wyvern, as long as even if they are implemented correctly.

Fixed it for you

I don't want a Wyvern even if has no efect on DRG dps potential because of the following:

1. Having a Wyvern is likely to prevent the devs from creating NEW abilities for DRG, or implementing OLD FF Lore skills like:

-Lancet (FFI, II, III),
-Reis' Wind (FFIX)
-Dragon's Crest (FFIX)
-Breath Weapons (FF Tactics)
-Dragonheart (Instant Reraise from FF Tactics)
-Hyper Jump (AoE Jump explosion from Cid's Limit Break in FFVII)
-Dragon Killer (FFIX)

2. Makes no sense getting dragon killer and having a Wyvern by your side.

3. Kain is the coolest DRG in FF history, and he didn't have a Wyvern.

4. If DRG is getting a pet, it should be an unique mount, nothing else.

5. Lets learn from past mistakes, in FFXI they added Wyvern as pet for DRG and eventually had to nerf the job for balancing... do we want that?

^^^ THIS EXACTLY

[SnickleWhiskers]

Quoted for truth.

Kain is the coolest. Watch how epic the battle gets when he uses jump. (The video is just an example)

Pay close attention to the name of his special attacks.

Jump in this game could never be as amazing as that.