Seems Like Jobs Have Two Classes Tied To Them Skill Wise.

[Orophin]

I never said Paladin should outdamage a Gladiator. I said that it should be superior to it from a tanking perspective. I agree with your examples of what a Paladin should be; better enmity generation, better survivability. But jobs were also alluded to be more desirable in higher end content than classes. So in the case of Ifrit, a Paladin should be superior to a Gladiator in that fight despite having all classes leveled to 50. Now on the other hand, if a Warrior is built to be a tank as well, then THAT is where Paladin is better only in certain situations and vice versa.

[Engineer]

Like this post if you knew this crap already and the OP is a month and a half late to the party.

If you knew this crap, then I have some questions for you.

If I have Paladin equipped, can I use all Gladiator and marauder skills on the Paladin?

With a Job equipped can I use low level cross class abilities from all classes?

If you need a 30 con and a 15 thm to get white mage, can I equip thm skills on my white mage?

Can Paladin be equipped on gladiator and marauder?

If you can't answer all these questions, then you really need to stop acting like a little kid.

[DoctorMog]

No need to answer those questions.

I have the patience to wait and see.

My comment was to put a little sarcastic humor in all of the "like this post if" posts going on recently.

TBH I could care less if Gladiator gets MRD skills because SE stated that shortly they are re balancing all of the classes abilities to make way for the new jobs, so in the end, it doesn't even matter right now.

Your questions are best answered after the re balancing. I would wait till then.

[Aion]

If you knew this crap, then I have some questions for you.

If I have Paladin equipped, can I use all Gladiator and marauder skills on the Paladin?

With a Job equipped can I use low level cross class abilities from all classes?

If you need a 30 con and a 15 thm to get white mage, can I equip thm skills on my white mage?

Can Paladin be equipped on gladiator and marauder?

If you can't answer all these questions, then you really need to stop acting like a little kid.

1. on MAR only up to lvl 15 skills*
2. No, only sub class requirement*
3. same as no 1*
4. only on GLA

its only need a bit of brain cells to conclude what will happen based on the interview


*:subject to change

[Engineer]

No need to answer those questions.

I have the patience to wait and see.

My comment was to put a little sarcastic humor in all of the "like this post if" posts going on recently.

TBH I could care less if Gladiator gets MRD skills because SE stated that shortly they are re balancing all of the classes abilities to make way for the new jobs, so in the end, it doesn't even matter right now.

Your questions are best answered after the re balancing. I would wait till then.

thats great for you, but your acting insensitive to the people that want to have a conversation about this. If you want to wait, then go ahead, no one is stopping you, but dont try to stop people from having conversations they want to have. Dont be posting childish things.

[Engineer]

1. on MAR only up to lvl 15 skills*
2. No, only sub class requirement*
3. same as no 1*
4. only on GLA

its only need a bit of brain cells to conclude what will happen based on the interview


*:subject to change

If its needed a few brain cells what will happen based on the interview, why even add the comment "subject to change"? You dont know for sure, right? so quit playing.

[Jinko]

I duno about paladin, but I doubt blackmage has access to healing spells, they will no doubt have access to CNJ DD spells and DoTs though.

I agree that this doesn't a need "like this post" as regardless of what we want its too late the changes are already in place.

1. on MAR only up to lvl 15 skills*

I don't see it working like this, just because the quest requires mrd at half that of the main class doesn't mean we can't use skills past that point.

I expect a paladin to have access to defender II, it makes no sense for them not to have it.

Just as I expect a Blackmage to have access to Freeze, Floor, Flare and the rest of those spells.
Of course the upcoming skill changes in 1.20 could have all those skills transfered to different classes, I can only imagine the outcry if defender II was taken from MRD and moved to GLA lol.

Really hope that jobs dont lock out cross class abilities from other classes.

EG: If a paladin can ONLY use abilities from GLA and MRD, that would be lame.

This is exactly what i am expecting and hoping for.

Isn't the whole point of jobs to specialise you into a certain role after all.

[Aion]

If its needed a few brain cells what will happen based on the interview, why even add the comment "subject to change"? You dont know for sure, right? so quit playing.

Even devs plan has "subject to change", I cant say 100% what will happen but I still can predict. And Dr Mog is right, your concern is tooo late. Cairdeas has been discussed this, as he wants job can be equipped by any class (CMIIW). But as interview said, one job only can equipped by one class, but they need several class as requirement to unlock the quest. The need of sub class requirement is because they need SOME skills from that class that can help define the JOB.

So IMO it is pointless to discuss whether job can be equipped by more than one class. But we still can discuss in which skills that be allowed to cross-over on JOB. I apologized if my previous statement offends you, just tired with this like this or like this post.

[Aion]

I duno about paladin, but I doubt blackmage has access to healing spells, they will no doubt have access to CNJ DD spells and DoTs though.

I agree that this doesn't a need "like this post" as regardless of what we want its too late the changes are already in place.



I don't see it working like this, just because the quest requires mrd at half that of the main class doesn't mean we can't use skills past that point.

I expect a paladin to have access to defender II, it makes no sense for them not to have it.

Just as I expect a Blackmage to have access to Freeze, Floor, Flare and the rest of those spells.
Of course the upcoming skill changes in 1.20 could have all those skills transfered to different classes, I can only imagine the outcry if defender II was taken from MRD and moved to GLA lol.



This is exactly what i am expecting and hoping for.

Isn't the whole point of jobs to specialise you into a certain role after all.

well for the defender II maybe you right, but I feel (or rather I hope) certain restriction will be imposed to having access on sub class skills. I mean if a PLD have R50 MAR, he doesnt automatically can use Defender II. He must do quest to unlock sub class skill. This will add sense of progression on JOB system

[DoctorMog]

Even devs plan has "subject to change", I cant say 100% what will happen but I still can predict. And Dr Mog is right, your concern is tooo late. Cairdeas has been discussed this, as he wants job can be equipped by any class (CMIIW). But as interview said, one job only can equipped by one class, but they need several class as requirement to unlock the quest. The need of sub class requirement is because they need SOME skills from that class that can help define the JOB.

So IMO it is pointless to discuss whether job can be equipped by more than one class. But we still can discuss in which skills that be allowed to cross-over on JOB. I apologized if my previous statement offends you, just tired with this like this or like this post.

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