Dragoon Poll (Should DRG have a Wyvern?)

[Velhart]

True... but for like what 10min? xD Edit: And with no Dragoon abilities, just the title. They even cut him out of the book entirely lol.

Doesn't matter, it makes your statement wrong.

You did get more play time with him than most characters.

[SilvertearRen]

well your stuff is kind of off. Cid in 7 could summon a dragon for an attack....called dragon (limitbreak) and Kain used swords. People need to stop trying to make the old games "dragoons" (which half of them didnt follow the lore of a dragoon anyways) as their argument as to why DRG in this game cant have a pet. They can do w/e the hell they want. And again, love how most of these anti-wyvern crazed people havent even touched LNC yet...its kind of funny. Its like being mad about the burgers taste when your only getting a salad XD

I'm a Lv50 LNC and I'm a Wyvern-Hater.

You, sir, are a tool.

[Hanemakikaze]

Wyvern is a burden, and by many peoples logics in here that actually want a wyvern we still shouldnt get it. As every ff changes their style (DRG), so should this one. And by that I mean don't go back to having that burden following me around, and have something new & unique with a little bit of the old school. And this is coming from a long time DRG from ffxi, and currently main lnc here... do. not. want.

[CrystalWeapon]

I'm a dragoon main in xi and a lnc in xiv. I had my fill of having a wyvern, I want a different experience in xiv. The idea of having my power weakened so that it could be given to a pet in a second game doesn't sit well with me. You have to remember that your damage reduction when attacking a mob will be applied twice across your split power. It's like having a lower level character following you around and it's hard to balance the damage calculations for that situation.

If you add enough power to the wyvern so it'll do well against big monsters, it'll be way too overpowered for everything else. You leave it's power so that the damage between the dragoon and the wyvern is normalized in a party situation and you have the same situation that existed in xi for the longest time. The dragoon gets gimp damage against big monsters and the wyvern hits for next to null.

I'd rather have a dragon knight like dragoon. The powers of a dragon contained within a DD. The wyvern/dragon can still exist persay. I just rather it stay as a after image or animation that occurs when I perform skills.

[Reliquia]

But then you would be including a lot more people... I for one will play a drg since the two jobs I love are whm and drg so then are you saying you are speaking for me? Or do you mean you are speaking for the drgs that want pets as we?

I am trying to understand you here you see you humans have this great complex logical... erm or was that illogical thinking and wording... I'm sorry I really don't wish to insult you or any other humans its just well sometimes its like you don't really know what you want to say?? maybe that is it?

The cat is confused =?.?=

Let me break this down for you pussycat. When FXIV players play the job Dragoon, they have certain expectations to what the job is going to look like and play like. When I say what we expect I mean the collected mentality. Obviously dragoon has an identity, established in the early Final Fantasy games with some tweaks and innovations along the line.

Pretty much up until this date the job dragoon has been portrayed numerous times by the same trademarks, such as. (I might be forgetting something btw, possible)
- The dragoon AF set.
- Spear as the main weapon (with some exception)
- Dragoon abilities
- A connection to dragons
- Dragoon being a DDing class
Additionally FFXI gave drg a mascot that has to some degree also become a dragoon trademark, when we look at it we immediately think of it as the "dragoon's companion".

I am not saying that all of these have to be in place in order to call it dragoon, I am just saying that there are certain expectations to what a dragoon should bring, some putting more emphasis on some of these trademarks. For instance, I think we can agree that the collective mentality thinks that the FFXIV dragoon should resemble something like this:

This is an accurate look of what we identify with the dragoon look.

Now FFXI took a similar approach, took the image a step further and adding a wyvern, making it look like this:


That was what I was talking about when you quoted me, that's what the post was about. Just to summarize my stand I feel like the concept they have showed of dragoon looks more like a step backwards from FFXIs version, and I think it looks less appealing, and I prefer the company of a wyvern companion rather than a stand alone job. That's it.

Is the cat still confused =?.?=

[Volsung]

I'm a dragoon main in xi and a lnc in xiv. I had my fill of having a wyvern, I want a different experience in xiv....

...I'd rather have a dragon knight like dragoon. The powers of a dragon contained within a DD. The wyvern/dragon can still exist persay. I just rather it stay as a after image or animation that occurs when I perform skills.

I understand you completely, as a fellow drg since NA release of XI and a drg fan since FF4.

[SilvertearRen]

Why do people keep advocating for a Wyvern, when they have not really offered a concrete solution to the balancing for the player and the pet? No matter what happens, when you have a pet, your player-character's stats ARE going to get nerfed. We've seen what a nightmare that's become for the DRG in XI - constant retweaking of the stats to try to find the sweet spot, and yet it was never found.

Nobody. Wants. That.

If Dragoon is going to get a pet, it should be only usable as a mount. Period.

For now, I am comfortable with the fact that the pet system will never be implemented before 2.0, and this should give everyone an opportunity to get accustomed to a wyvern-less DRG.

[NadienKirisame]

Let me break this down for you pussycat. When FXIV players play the job Dragoon, they have certain expectations to what the job is going to look like and play like. When I say what we expect I mean the collected mentality. Obviously dragoon has an identity, established in the early Final Fantasy games with some tweaks and innovations along the line.

Pretty much up until this date the job dragoon has been portrayed numerous times by the same trademarks, such as. (I might be forgetting something btw, possible)
- The dragoon AF set.
- Spear as the main weapon (with some exception)
- Dragoon abilities
- A connection to dragons
- Dragoon being a DDing class
Additionally FFXI gave drg a mascot that has to some degree also become a dragoon trademark, when we look at it we immediately think of it as the "dragoon's companion".

I am not saying that all of these have to be in place in order to call it dragoon, I am just saying that there are certain expectations to what a dragoon should bring, some putting more emphasis on some of these trademarks. For instance, I think we can agree that the collective mentality thinks that the FFXIV dragoon should resemble something like this:

This is an accurate look of what we identify with the dragoon look.

Now FFXI took a similar approach, took the image a step further and adding a wyvern, making it look like this:


That was what I was talking about when you quoted me, that's what the post was about. Just to summarize my stand I feel like the concept they have showed of dragoon looks more like a step backwards from FFXIs version, and I think it looks less appealing, and I prefer the company of a wyvern companion rather than a stand alone job. That's it.

Is the cat still confused =?.?=

Hehe thank you I think that is cute calling me pussycat =*.*= makes me starry eyed and all that fun stuff...

Though I posted something about this in the other DRG wyvern thread I think I will repast it as far a trademarks and traditions go... Would you really say the wyvern is part of the DRG tradition? Something in only one game I would not call tradition or a trademark of a class/job... Now if the DRG's in several FF games had pet wyverns I could see it as a traditional element of DRG and part of the trademark of abilities/items always show to be with a DRG... Trademark wise DRG have only a few that are almost always present in each game and that would be of course the draconic looking armor, Jump, and the use of a lance or pole arm. You can not add one thing to something in one game and suddenly call it tradition or a trademark of that thing be it class/job or persons.

So really I would not call the wyvern on FFXI a DRG trademark... And yes I have played many many FF games and had a lvl 75 DRG in XI before I stopped and yes I loved that job a lot since DRG is one of my 2 fav jobs in all of FF WHM being the other fav job. Though the wyvern was a nice touch in that game I do not consider it a trademark nor a tradition of the DRG job/class.

I'm really trying to figure out while some cling to the wyvern like they do... as if it was you little lost puppy and you want it back... Then again I must remind myself humans get attached to some silly things from time to time.

The cat is... bemused and amused =^.^=

[RemVye]

I want Dragoon to have a Donkey.... where my Donkey?

[grandm]

/throws the cat a ball of yarn.