Why do so many statics seem to be missing healers? What can be done to solve this?

[Aomine1992]

O4s is a betch to heal lol I switched from ast to dps so quick lol but some healers stop at O3s becuase O4s has a lot of healer liabilities.....But honestly tanks are the scarce ones on O4s I believe specifically that fight is terrible to both healers and tanks starting from the thunder III crap, BH mechanic to meteors hitting stupid hard, white hole, Almagest, Delta attack, cyruptis(spelling), and plenty more crap healers and tank mechanics I'm a dps now and I feel for them lol

[Teraluna]

O4s is a betch to heal lol I switched from ast to dps so quick lol but some healers stop at O3s becuase O4s has a lot of healer liabilities.....But honestly tanks are the scarce ones on O4s I believe specifically that fight is terrible to both healers and tanks starting from the thunder III crap, BH mechanic to meteors hitting stupid hard, white hole, Almagest, Delta attack, cyruptis(spelling), and plenty more crap healers and tank mechanics I'm a dps now and I feel for them lol

Whether it be healers or tanks, this is an entirely normal situation for progression raids. Seen it to a lesser extent in previous mmo's over years.

The one thing that seems to have changed - for the worse - is the attitude to these classes.

Here's one from the past:
Our progression raid group in WoW lost a tank (work related), so we asked around for a replacement. We managed to get someone who wasn't that experienced, but willing to stick at it and learn.

So we ran raids to help. More often than not the initial ones weren't successful, but over time you could see the guy improving. In the end this tank proved to a be cornerstone of the static, and we ran raids together for a long time.

Now? What do we see?
Talk of just good or bad tanks/healers.

This is the difference I see, the loss of the teaching and helping approach to help someone learn through repeat runs.
It mirrors the modern expectation to have everything 'there and ready', rather than an older mmo approach where it was a gradual and common learning experience - players accepting the norm, that raid groups where a 'family', with support and help freely given.

We had class tutors in the guild, who would guide players through the initial, then further stages with their respective classes.
The reaction to this now would be either learn to play, or if you can't play properly leave.

So now we have a shortage of these critical healer/tank classes - is it really surprising?

[Taika]

This is the difference I see, the loss of the teaching and helping approach to help someone learn through repeat runs.
It mirrors the modern expectation to have everything 'there and ready', rather than an older mmo approach where it was a gradual and common learning experience - players accepting the norm, that raid groups where a 'family', with support and help freely given.

This is a good point. Many groups are only looking for players who are already at their level, with certain item level, clears, and long previous raid experience.

I've only been raiding in PF for a couple of weeks now and I haven't had trouble finding healers. Good healers, on the other hand... Many healers seem to be playing reactively now for some reason. For example, I have had to ask for a WHM to put Medica II up when there's upcoming AoE damage (the latest time was last night in OS4 exdeath tentacles / black orbs) more than once.

[Ogulbuk]

Now? What do we see?
Talk of just good or bad tanks/healers.

This is the difference I see, the loss of the teaching and helping approach to help someone learn through repeat runs.
It mirrors the modern expectation to have everything 'there and ready', rather than an older mmo approach where it was a gradual and common learning experience - players accepting the norm, that raid groups where a 'family', with support and help freely given.

This is a big issue. I remember it took me a bit longer to get to 70 than most hardcore raiders, that seemed to all hit 70 on week one. By the time I was fully 310 geared and ready for "the next step" everyone was already demanding I knew every encounter if I wanted to join the raiding game. Learning groups were mostly composed of rejects without patience that would quit after a 2 failures.

In my case, I said to hell with it all, I just now logging in to get my weekly cap tomes, my detlascape normal rewards of the week, and then spend the rest of the week playing other games. It is not the game to blame, it's the community.

[Sebazy]

It is not the game to blame, it's the community.

I disagree, it's the nasty side effect of comparatively small scale raid teams where each individual carries much greater responsibility to the point where a weak link can prevent an otherwise solid team from progressing. Progression with even 1 or 2 new people can take a good amount of time even if it's nothing like as harsh as it was in Gordias/Midas and sadly some groups aren't willing to go through that again.

To say that 'everyone' demands that level of experience is patently false though. That's just not true, sorry. Look beyond PF, search around for proper statics that are appropriate to your own skill level and play style (can't stress this point enough) and you'll do fine.

To say I was 'unlucky' with progression pushes in Heavensward would be understating things to say the least Despite some pretty awful circumstances I managed to bounce back and get my raid game back via some good old fashioned hard work and a solid and proven reputation.

[Teraluna]

You simply cannot ignore the change in the community over recent years. Even a quick scan of the posts here will show you talk of bad healers being evicted - without one word mentioning any help or tutoring to work together.

It's the same story now over and over - don't want bad players, no good for us, got rid of them and now searching for a good one.....

Where is the mmorpg community approach? Where is the camaraderie, the willingness to take a little time out and run training raids to help people learn?

Is that all dead now, and I'm just an older player out of my time? It feels like it reading this topic.

Then people turn around and say 'we can't get a healer/tank!'
No wonder.
Your own approach has brought about your own problem.

Healers/Tanks are scared of signing up for these hyper critical no second chance, no helping hand groups. Naturally they turn to other things in the game - or other solo games where's there isn't a mob of players waiting to pounce if you slip up. One mistake and instantly labelled a bad player, out you go, ltp, go back to hello kitty.
Yes, I've seen these posts.
Then once again its: 'We can't find a good healer (or insert tank), where are you all?!

- oh there's a coincidence, there's someone saying it already in the title.

[Zojha]

You simply cannot ignore the change in the community over recent years.

You can and should, because even if it's true and such a change has happened, it's not only relevant to healers in particular, but to every role. In fact, an unwillingness to teach and eagerness to ditch those struggling would hurt DPS players a lot more since they're much easier to kick and replace, making the tolerance of failure much lower. Yet, for some reason, they don't even get mentioned.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Healers/Tanks are scared of signing up for these hyper critical no second chance, no helping hand groups.

Is this truly the case or have people simply become too sensitive? I never tanked before FFXIV but opted to give it a go around 3.3-ish. Dark Knight was my first tank, which I leveled exclusively through FATEs due to the Yokai watch event. I read my tooktips, went through a handful of guides on Youtube and queued into roulettes. Some mistakes were made, especially a particularly bad Darkhold run but I dusted myself and kept going. I only ever received "hate" when I eventually took a healer into Sephirot EX when a friend slapped together a 4am farm party on a fight I hadn't done in months. They weren't even aggressive, so much as understandably frustrated. I got over it pretty quick and kept going. The problem often stems from people either being too nervous as tanks are pseudo-leaders or can't handle criticism. This whole notion of widespread kicks is extremely overblown.

My static's sch pugged 3s one week and had a pld eat every crit hit without a cd in swordoath. They died like six freaking times. Would YOU want to risk healing that nightmare?

Sure. I find it fun, though I'd be telling that PLD to use a cooldown and kicking them if they didn't.

[era1Ne]

This is a big issue. I remember it took me a bit longer to get to 70 than most hardcore raiders, that seemed to all hit 70 on week one. By the time I was fully 310 geared and ready for "the next step" everyone was already demanding I knew every encounter if I wanted to join the raiding game. Learning groups were mostly composed of rejects without patience that would quit after a 2 failures.

In my case, I said to hell with it all, I just now logging in to get my weekly cap tomes, my detlascape normal rewards of the week, and then spend the rest of the week playing other games. It is not the game to blame, it's the community.

I've experienced this myself with ex primals in the early days and i've never blamed the community for this, because at the end of the day, everyone should have the right to choose the people he wants to play with in pf. For instance, if you want to farm and do a farm group, you'd expect them to be able to farm the content and therefore you won't take new players with you. For statics this is the same, since they want to progress further and for this reason are searching people with their progress for their static. Thats neither bad or good. It is just the way it is and everyone is able with the forum, pf or other sites to search for likeminded people to have fun in the game. My advice would be to search, if you got the time or just do v1-2 in pf and then you'll find more people willing to give you a chance

Healing 3s and 4s is an absolute nightmare, according to the healers in my static, and with the ridiculous amounts of damage going out, I believe them.

I've healed everything up to 1s inclusive. It's very dependent on the group how hard your role is - but if people mess up and die, they blame the healers regardless? It seems unfair.

Also, a lot of healers who pug have to deal with absolute nightmare tanks. My static's sch pugged 3s one week and had a pld eat every crit hit without a cd in swordoath. They died like six freaking times. Would YOU want to risk healing that nightmare?

I would. Don't get me wrong, sometimes i am really annoyed about tanks DD or whatever, but at the end of the day, i absolutely love the job and the responsibility and teamwork that comes with it. I started as a monk main and while i still love the class, healing for me and working together to push further with another healer, is to much fun for me to miss out on. Healing has both extremes, the role can be toxic, but i can be also very, very rewarding and fun, when you save the group for example or when you got an great healer partner and thats what i love about it. Also fights like v3 are amazing imo

On a sidenote: I love how many different perspective we have in the last two pages alone. From susa is easy to someone who had problems with randoms there. From v3 is a nightmare to v3 is love, v3 is life
This just goes to show, how different experience with people can be and are in ff14 and imo sometimes people forget that we all enjoy different stuff in the game and this also shows how different opinions and perspective can be and that everyone can find people he wants to play with. So don't give up and play the role you like and try to not let the few toxic people destroy your fun playing healer for example.

[Tridus]

I've experienced this myself with ex primals in the early days and i've never blamed the community for this, because at the end of the day, everyone should have the right to choose the people he wants to play with in pf. For instance, if you want to farm and do a farm group, you'd expect them to be able to farm the content and therefore you won't take new players with you. For statics this is the same, since they want to progress further and for this reason are searching people with their progress for their static.

That's entirely true, people can group with whoever they want. The trouble is when the entire community fights over the experienced healers and nobody is helping the inexperienced ones get experienced, what you wind up with is a supply & demand issue. Typically, when it gets bad enough some groups will have no choice but to find someone and help train them.