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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleczan View Post
    [COLOR="#9932cc"]Having said all the above in reply to Dreadnaught and to other people in general, I think I’ve adequately demonstrated my disagreement to this statement. It is not the society who tells people what is offensive. Personal experience and personal preference plays a big role in this. And for me, context is also important. When I talk among friends, telling them my story of angry encounter, I may use mild swear words in my storytelling. However, if I am to tell it to my parents, or teacher, those swear words would be omitted for propriety.

    Retaining one’s conduct and politeness isn’t always restricted by the society’s standard of offensiveness, either, but rather by audience and one’s self-awareness, and most of all, by whether the person cares or does not care about public. Let me tell you a true story that happened to me the other day.
    People are a product of society, that is to say, the person we become is directly influenced by society. Society is composed of the following institutions; Religion, education, government, media, family and economy. So your personal experiences and preferences are directly influenced by society. Your family try's to teach you to uphold certain values they feel are important as does your affiliation (or lack of) to a specific religion. Anything we experience falls under these institutions and our ideas and behavior are shaped by the experiences we have.

    Those words you omit have been socially constructed to be "offensive". Not every society is the same, and some words you find offensive may not be offensive to everyone and vice versa.

    Here are some real life name examples (that I have come across) that consist, or sound like "offensive" words:

    Dick is used as a first name for a man.

    Boner is the last name of a person I have met.

    My 8th grade math teacher had the last name of Gaylord.

    So if a man has the name of Dick Boner, who am I to demand he change his name because I find those words to be offensive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavani View Post
    People are a product of society, that is to say, the person we become is directly influenced by society. Society is composed of the following institutions; Religion, education, government, media, family and economy. So your personal experiences and preferences are directly influenced by society. Your family try's to teach you to uphold certain values they feel are important as does your affiliation (or lack of) to a specific religion. Anything we experience falls under these institutions and our ideas and behavior are shaped by the experiences we have.

    Those words you omit have been socially constructed to be "offensive". Not every society is the same, and some words you find offensive may not be offensive to everyone and vice versa.

    Here are some real life name examples (that I have come across) that consist, or sound like "offensive" words:

    Dick is used as a first name for a man.

    Boner is the last name of a person I have met.

    My 8th grade math teacher had the last name of Gaylord.

    So if a man has the name of Dick Boner, who am I to demand he change his name because I find those words to be offensive?
    Except this person's real name isn't part of this Virtual World. ie a world where SE makes the rules and Free Speech does not apply. You also choose your own name, it's not chosen for you at or near birth. I understand the point you're trying to make, but that's not all there is to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    Except this person's real name isn't part of this Virtual World. ie a world where SE makes the rules and Free Speech does not apply. You also choose your own name, it's not chosen for you at or near birth. I understand the point you're trying to make, but that's not all there is to it.
    Some societies chose their own name (read native american cultures).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavani View Post
    Some societies chose their own name (read native american cultures).
    And I really haven't seen this issue with said Native Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    And I really haven't seen this issue with said Native Americans.
    Ok, all I have to say to you is, you can lead the horse to the fountain of knowledge, but you can't force it to drink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavani View Post
    Ok, all I have to say to you is, you can lead the horse to the fountain of knowledge, but you can't force it to drink.
    There's a horrible thought. Once the horse decides the drink the water of the fountain of knowledge we're all screwed... The world will be overrun with super intelligent horse overlords.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavani View Post
    Ok, all I have to say to you is, you can lead the horse to the fountain of knowledge, but you can't force it to drink.
    And you're still going around the main point. You choose your name in this game. Yes, some cultures let you choose your name as well. But when you do that, it's something you use in real life, and you have to deal with that. In game it's different, if you can skirt the rules, or the rulemakers are lenient, you can hide behind the anonymity of the internet. Plus the game is open to almost everyone, not just cultures where they're used to choosing a name for themselves. And some, not all and not the majority either, will see that as an opportunity to be funny, harass, whatever you can think of really. And still, the rules are SEs, and there isn't free speech in game. Or on the forums for that matter. If you feel it's offensive, report it. If SE agrees, they do something, if they don't agree the name stays and you can leave or deal with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavani View Post
    Some societies chose their own name (read native american cultures).
    You're really grasping at straws with this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly_Millions View Post
    You're really grasping at straws with this one.
    Really, how so? Because he did mention the fact that people don't chose their own names. I simply replied with an example of how people do. Here is another, a friend of mine legally changed his last name not long ago. people can and do chose their own names.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa View Post
    Still does not change this fact



    I don't care what the NPCs say, and on top of that, I have never heard a really vulgar word from an NPC, just the normal curse word now and then (in taste I might add)
    I guess you have never done LL quests, their language can be considered offensive. If SE is going to use language that has the possibility of offending anyone, then we should be able to give our characters the names we want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavani View Post
    Really, how so? Because he did mention the fact that people don't chose their own names. I simply replied with an example of how people do. Here is another, a friend of mine legally changed his last name not long ago. people can and do chose their own names.



    I guess you have never done LL quests, their language can be considered offensive. If SE is going to use language that has the possibility of offending anyone, then we should be able to give our characters the names we want.
    for one their language being "colorful" is part of their setting, they are pirates after all -.- Using words in moderation to spice of dialog is fine, and pretty accepted in story telling, but what you want is not.
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