Revelations from PAX West 2017

[Belhi]

I am still waiting on them letting us know what the deal with Silvertear lake is though. Its interesting that Zodiark was stronger than Hydaelyn when she shattered the world. That would definitely suggest it was a desperate act.

[Theodric]

I am still waiting on them letting us know what the deal with Silvertear lake is though. Its interesting that Zodiark was stronger than Hydaelyn when she shattered the world. That would definitely suggest it was a desperate act.

Midgardsormr showing up in the Omega storyline makes it possible that we'll see the Silvertear situation addressed there. So I'm guessing we'll have to wait until 4.2 or 4.4 depending on how things go. Of course, it could be revealed within the MSQ's...though I'm confident Midgardsormr is involved in the Omega stuff for the sake of a major plot revelation.

[Balipu]

Lot of lore and we still have a lore panel with Koji. Oh, boy.
I wonder how well Ivalice will fit Othard. As far as we have seen and known, Othard and Hingashi are the far east.

The patch title is interesting. Gonna make a new thread.

[TinyRedLeaf]

Yay, we finally managed to straighten out Unukalhai's age!

The issue of "time" has always been a minor irritant for me in stories that involve multiverses or, heck, something as mundane in sci-fi as inter-planetary travel: We always assume a universal clock that's ticking away at the same pace, no matter where in the universe we are.

It never actually bothered me how "old" Unukalhai was, because he was, after all, from another world, where "time" could have moved at a different pace than in Eorzea. There's also the fact that Unukalhai has been quite literally dead for quite some "time", so it's not that big of a stretch to imagine that ageing, for him, has stopped.

But, it's nice to see a more definitive answer of 6,000 to 20,000 years (relative to the Source). Still no definitive answer of whether Unukalhai is occupying a host body while in Eorzea though...

[Wyssahtyn]

Still no definitive answer of whether Unukalhai is occupying a host body while in Eorzea though...

WoDs weren't using host bodies, so I don't see why he would be.

[FJerome]

. . . I now desperately want another quest with Master Bugaal Ja and a taco.

Anyway, *still* no more lore for us desperately hard-up Keeper players but hey, at least we got tasty Duskwright and Roe info nuggets.

[Anonymoose]

WoDs weren't using host bodies, so I don't see why he would be.

But do we know that? We'll probably never get an answer now, but if you only go by confirmed lore, something feels amiss.

The Ascians' immortality is rooted in the fact that they are able to master control of their souls. They are able to retain their souls' integrity even when cast into the beyond, receding to the edge of the Aetherial Sea, between the worlds, but no farther. In that state, they can travel between dimensions using the Dark Crystals. They imply many times that this is due to mastery of the Echo (or something just like it).

When they appear without a vessel, people without the Echo can't detect them, and if they make themselves known, can't understand them unless they choose to speak the Eorzean tongue. And even those who can see them don't see them accurately. Elidibus admitted that the Hyuran forms we see are either the vessels they inhabit or, if they lack a vessel at the time, a "crude approximation" of their true form.

Their influence on the world is also limited, especially if they are not from the world they currently inhabit. Nabriales went on a tirade about how Lahabrea and Elidibus being from the Source meant that they could act while he could only watch and wait. Was this only because of the blessing of Light? When the blessing was no longer granting protection to us and our dominion, Nabriales took his vessel STRAIGHT to the Rising Stones to steal Tupsimati. And yet and once we ganked the body he was in, all he could do was stand there and whine about how he'd just come back again and again (until Moenbryda played her trump card and we sheared his soul apart).

If the Warriors of Darkness died like the Ascians ... and traveled between words like the Ascians ... through crystals like Ascians, how were they able to be seen and heard by everyone, to pick up weapons and fight corporeal monsters?

If SE confirms that they're not possessing vessels, suddenly there's this "This limitation exists for the Ascians, but not the Warriors of Darkness, because..." hole in the lore that need further explaining which will in turn draw lore boundaries tighter. If SE confirms that they ARE possessing vessels, though, it's a whole other can of worms. Then they'd have changed how people see them, even if only a little. There's a violation and unnaturalness to it that changes their characters. I can see why the team is reluctant to confirm or deny, lol. (I mean, I wouldn't think much different of them for possessing some random corpses or whatever. The whole point is that they took on the tactics of the enemy because they bought into a false narrative and thought they were doing the lesser evil, but still evil.)

[Balipu]

. . . I now desperately want another quest with Master Bugaal Ja and a taco.

Anyway, *still* no more lore for us desperately hard-up Keeper players but hey, at least we got tasty Duskwright and Roe info nuggets.

Well Koji did say that more answers will be comming to the forums in the next few weeks.

By the way, Theo: Did you like that bit during the territorial anthem discussion that Garleans aren't interested in destroying the culture of occupied territories because they want them to feel at home?

[Theodric]

Well Koji did say that more answers will be comming to the forums in the next few weeks.

By the way, Theo: Did you like that bit during the territorial anthem discussion that Garleans aren't interested in destroying the culture of occupied territories because they want them to feel at home?

I did! It gives me further hope that common ground can be found in the future, especially when we see more of the territories that aren't ruled by the likes of Zenos.

[Berethos]

You know, we have generally assumed that Ramuh was a adoption of the imagery of Rhalgr used by humans that the Sylphs copied.

What struck me most was the comment about him not hating the 6 races...

What if that's because he was once of them, a la Ysale+Shiva style, but one that when taking on the primal form left what he once was behind entirely?