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    Molly Millions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naylia View Post
    The comparison above is targeted at DDs. For that purpose, the Cobalt Hauby is superior. If you were thinking about tanking or some other purpose, you'd compare the Solid Scale Mail to different crafted gear, which would be superior for that purpose.
    you're only taking into account dps, what about damage taken? That's still important to DD, especially when you want to do anything on your own or without a proper tank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly_Millions View Post
    you're only taking into account dps, what about damage taken? That's still important to DD, especially when you want to do anything on your own or without a proper tank.
    Agreed...the Solid Scale Mail would be a better solo/small party gear. Hmmm....now to convince 3 someones to help me go collect one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly_Millions View Post
    you're only taking into account dps, what about damage taken? That's still important to DD, especially when you want to do anything on your own or without a proper tank.
    Even with a tank. When things get hairy, you can't rely on the tank to have every single mob going after him. I've seen PT's fall apart many a time when one too many mobs gets linked, or two mobs pop when you're already fighting 4-5. A DD who can't soak up a couple of big hits for 30 seconds is a liability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn View Post
    Even with a tank. When things get hairy, you can't rely on the tank to have every single mob going after him. I've seen PT's fall apart many a time when one too many mobs gets linked, or two mobs pop when you're already fighting 4-5. A DD who can't soak up a couple of big hits for 30 seconds is a liability.
    In this case you will most likely wipe anyway, unless the healers are well geared. The reason, as soon as those new mobs pop, and link, your healer will take all the hate with the best enmity generation, Cure/Curaga. Also if your DD can't finish off the mobs because they are itemizing defenses your healers will just run low on mana and you'll wipe. So although defense is good for DD as well, you're not going to seek out items that specifically give you those mitigation stats. Armor is a pretty big mitigation and high level gear has a lot of it, regardless of the + stats it gives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavani View Post
    In this case you will most likely wipe anyway, unless the healers are well geared. The reason, as soon as those new mobs pop, and link, your healer will take all the hate with the best enmity generation, Cure/Curaga. Also if your DD can't finish off the mobs because they are itemizing defenses your healers will just run low on mana and you'll wipe. So although defense is good for DD as well, you're not going to seek out items that specifically give you those mitigation stats. Armor is a pretty big mitigation and high level gear has a lot of it, regardless of the + stats it gives.
    depends on the actions on your other DD, a marauder who keeps warmonger for emergencies, or a pugilist with taunt, can actually save lives. Defense matters also when you grab hate from a spike or when a tank lose hate on side mobs, or new ones spawn. Then you got a class like pugilist who can actually do more damage when tanking than not in most cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavani View Post
    In this case you will most likely wipe anyway, unless the healers are well geared. The reason, as soon as those new mobs pop, and link, your healer will take all the hate with the best enmity generation, Cure/Curaga. Also if your DD can't finish off the mobs because they are itemizing defenses your healers will just run low on mana and you'll wipe. So although defense is good for DD as well, you're not going to seek out items that specifically give you those mitigation stats. Armor is a pretty big mitigation and high level gear has a lot of it, regardless of the + stats it gives.
    What it really depends on is communication. Most groups who get in this situation have a main tank AND a couple of MRD's floating around these days; if the MRD's know the enemies are attacking, they can pop Warmonger and drop a big aoe on the new mobs pretty quick.

    Knowing when or when not to run is a big deal too. Can't tell ya how many times I've seen squishies panic and start basically running around in circles while they are getting hit, and I'm frantically trying to pull the mobs off of them, but they are just a little too far away...
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