Mog talk interview(PVP Info)

[Hyrist]

My guess is that they don't have the staff to properly regulate competitive chat.

Honestly that's a problem worldwide and I find it interesting for a company to finally take a harder stance on the matter and say. "You know what? No. You can't self regulate and we don't have the manpower to babysit you lot. We're taking this feature away and circumventing the bulk of the problem. "

To which I personally say kudos and curtly as the community if it REALLY thinks its mature enough, or if it will fall into the rut of harassment an peer pressure again.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

They have the staff to 'jail' and warn people for spamming quick chat. Desperate for your team to stop ignoring the 10 stack tank? "Attacking tank! Attacking tank! Attacking tank! Attacking tank!" And you can get warned and put in gaol. It's happened.

If they can honestly monitor the pettiest of behaviours such as that, they can monitor people being jackasses in chat and simply ban them/force them to use quickchat as a punishment.

"How DARE you try and make your team attack the 10 stack tank that's deep in your own base and could melt with a single Fire IV!? You're banned!"

The toxicity in PvP is still there. All removing chat does is keep the casual players ignorant of it. This is going to kill PvP eventually, but as long as SE doesn't take PvP seriously I guess it doesn't matter.

[Synestra]

Seeing that premade feast is making comeback does it really matter if they give chat back in solo or not? i mean i always saw solo que as same as quick match is for other genres. If you want to take feast seriously in future then go for that static pvp and leave solo for those who might have not time for super serious pvp. Also CM allows some neat community made tournaments so there is that too and i hope it will ignite some server vs server rivalry :P

[PotatoGirl]

ITT: People will literally defend SE over anything.

"with chat enabled I was a bad but without chat I suddenly got top 100"

Or maybe with the removal of chat a lot less people played at the higher tiers because what was the point :thinking:

[Hyrist]

Your ignorant if you think I am blindly defending SE here. Just because I agree with the sentiment that pvp communities without fail have a toxicity level warranting a scorched earth approach doe not mean I think the development beyond criticism.

Thst would be like me equating you condoning toxic behavior simply because you don't agree with SE's methods. Please have a more neauanced argument.

[Hyrist]

Apologies for the errors as I am on a phone keyboard. Overall I believe we as a community fail to acknowledge our responsibility to improve the community and curb toxic behavior. We even acknowledge that it continues yet point at it as an argument to do less or shift the blame onto the game designers.

I say if we cannot stop ourselves collectively from curbing the behavior similar to that of spoiled children, then all developers, not just se, should have the right to treat us as such. I acknowledge that this is cynical, however complacency, I feel is the larger error.

[Cynric]

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They shouldn't do ranked at all if they can't police it properly.

Players in every game with pvp get high tensions and act out, those games have systems in place to deal with them. Those players get dealt with. Here? People hack, people win trade, they spam or act toxic and nothing happens.

All Square seems to care about is how many people are playing. It shouldn't be on the playerbase to be punished for those who act out, it should be the developer who deals with them the proper way.

I've been playing PvP and other such types of games in different genres for years. The toxicity will never end. All quick chat functions as is a band-aid.

If you want to believe that the toxicity of chat is the issue that's fine.

However if people aren't kept in line things wind up like that.

Fighting other players by nature winds up being toxic because no one has good sportsmanship anymore.

This isn't going to go away simply because of chat ban. People are going to find other ways to defame and spread hate.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Hyrist, please read "The New Chat Restriction in the Feast". I understand where you're coming from, but you're only looking at the negatives of having normal chat.

Plenty of players pointed out the potential for Quick Chat abuse, and it happens. They pointed out the lack of being able to teach players - a huge problem with the sudden influx of new players - and that happened too. What we said would come as a result of the chat restriction has come quite true, and despite nearly a year of negative feedback and even pointing out the limitations and faults of the system, the community was seemingly ignored. This only deepens the resentment the community has felt for the longest time in feeling that they're secondhand and of a lesser importance than others who play, PvP or otherwise.

I also again raise the question that IF players are so unable to behave themselves, why then is chat not restricted in the larger PvE aspects of the game, where one could say a larger body of both positive and negative player examples exists? It's not right to look at data and say "more people tried it because we did this", when it was done beside a major change the community begged for for 3 years and a special event with new gear/rewards (to which I must remind people again that it was NOT Garo that improved queues. It was the GC restrictions being lifted, making matchmaking easier). That aside, my question stands: PvE holds a larger sampling of the playerbase, both good and bad, thus one could say there's a larger sampling of bad behavior there. Why then is chat not restricted for PvE content?

[Hyrist]

Less of of a bandaid and more of a muzzle. SE claims that 'muzzle' is effective. People here are disputing it, but at the same time proving it true. (See the 'I got warned for spamming quickchat' complaint. )

People are tolerating the muzzle more than the howling dogs. Excessive uae of quickchat can be reported and responded to. I'd argue they refine and improve the current system than ditch it.

As far as addressing the cheating. I agree they should do more even knowing the logistics nightmare it is.

[Cynric]

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The thing is, I'd rather they just ban those who can't play without having to curse at someone every 5 seconds from ranked for the entirety of the season and add a report function where they can go in and investigate toxic behavior.

Problem is they I realize don't have the team for investigating ranked right now, but that begs the question as to why we have a solo ranked option if they can't handle policing a solo ranked option across multiple data centers.

The vicious circle of it all is, the longer they ban chat, the worse things will get, I can't tell that new scholar that physik spamming wont keep us alive. That causes more frustration than anything, which is part of why things are getting more toxic just by it being banned.

I played when the chat was up. League is far far worse when it comes to the amount of toxic players, yet that's also one of the most popular pvp games right now.

People should be getting taken off the board / kicked out the season, not getting put in a jail for a little bit.