Dear Healers who don't DPS

[Blanchimont]

Dragoon spams True Thrust -> Vorpal Thrust -> Full Thrust
Samurai spams Hakaze -> Jinpu -> Gekko
Dark Knight spams Unleash
White Mage spams Cure/Cure II

All three of met your baseline criteria yet only one role has a built in excuse whereas the other two are universally shunned. Bear in mind, each dungeon has a 90 minute time limit, thus if we're going by the dev's generous determination, success is completing it in that allotted time frame. I can assure you this group will finish any current dungeon. It may be agonizingly slow but nowhere is it stipulated DPS have to deal a specific amount of damage nor tanks have to deal more than the absolute minimum (none Paladin). If you're okay with an hour long Kugane Castle, fair enough. If, however, you expect more from the DPS and tanks, I expect more from you.

Can we please knock off the strawmen? No one in this thread has advocated healers need to DPS above all else. We want them to be doing something. If tanks pull wall to wall and you can scarcely manage to get off more than one Aero III and maybe a Swiftcast Holy, good. You're spam healing, thus you're adhering to the standards of every other job: Always Be Casting. This thread is about healers who refuse to anything except heal regardless of the circumstances. For example purposes, I got into a row with a healer who insisted you were garbage if you ever allowed the tank's HP to dip below 80%. That renders abilities like Tetra and Essential utterly worthless since you'll never be low enough to truly benefit from their potency potential.

This entire post is toxic. It immediately targets Healers as nothing but heal bots. It was started with a strawman argument accusing Healers of not DPSing. You want to know the reason why it happens though? It's because tanks pull wall to wall so that Healers don't get a chance to DPS at all. They're stuck on a mindless loop of spamming a heal every 3 seconds unless they're a WHM that has benediction up so that they can quickly cast an Aero III or something just so they can DPS with a DoT.

If you want Healers to use their full kits. You need to give them an opportunity to do so. Wall to wall pulls are barely even saving any time. In some cases, it's a waste of time and its even worse with a wipe. So, if you want Healers to do DPS, don't pull wall to wall like the idiot tank who wants to stand in AoEs like you are that forces Healers to dedicate even more time to spamming heals. That way you only guarantee Healers don't get a chance to cast any damage spells at all. It's like the stupid tanks who wait until their HP is down to 30% before the activate a cooldown.

However, keeping a tank at 80%+ is a viable strategy. For some classes, you need higher and the reason for that is that's about how much damage the tank buster deals. It's better to keep a tank topped off with smaller heals and avoid the need for the big cd instant cast spells that are for emergencies until when you really need it. That way, the chance of the tank dying to the tank buster drops to 0, even if the tank doesn't pop cds.

For starters, the more you pull, the less likely a Healer is going to be able to DPS because they're too busy keeping an idiot like yourself topped off because you pulled wall to wall instead of a small group. There's a reason why they are divided into small groups of usually 3 mobs and why most Healers only DPS in Raids. It's the only chance they ever get to assuming the tank that refuses to dodge AoEs.

[Deceptus]

This entire post is toxic. . .For starters, the more you pull, the less likely a Healer is going to be able to DPS they're too busy keeping an idiot like yourself topped off.

Hello pot, meet kettle.

If you want Healers to use their full kits. You need to give them an opportunity to do so.

Tanks using their defensive CD's gives healers the opportunity to do so. Also, you do realize every healer has some sort of mitigation that does damage as well right? Earthly star, Holy, Assize, Shadow Flare and most are instant cast.

[Cynfael]

You want to know the reason why it happens though? It's because tanks pull wall to wall so that Healers don't get a chance to DPS at all.

This point has been addressed over and over again throughout this thread. No one is suggesting that healers are at fault for not DPSing when they truly need the GCDs for heals.

If you skim the posts a bit, you will see that the acceptable target, if you will, is the healer who either does nothing or mindlessly overheals during "downtime" because they don't think they should be expected to pitch in or because they are tired/stressed/lazy/hungry/netflixing/facebooking/etc.

[Taika]

You want to know the reason why it happens though? It's because tanks pull wall to wall so that Healers don't get a chance to DPS at all. They're stuck on a mindless loop of spamming a heal every 3 seconds unless they're a WHM that has benediction up so that they can quickly cast an Aero III or something just so they can DPS with a DoT.

I have played a healer in this game from 1.0 until current experts and extremes (I raid as BRD now so not experienced in that). I have never met a tank who has played in such a way that I have not been able to do any DPS at all. Unless they have been so ridiculously undergeared (or had broken gear) that they haven't been able to survive in the first place, in which case they shouldn't be in the instance anyway. Now this is not to say that if a tank is making super big pulls in DPS stance without using any cooldowns and with low item level the healer should just bite their tongue and step up. As many other people have said, if the actual healing (not spamming overheals) is keeping the healer busy (and not because they're using their healing abilities badly), that is fine. What people dislike is when the healing in itself doesn't keep the healer busy, and then the healer chooses not to do anything (useful) at all with their extra time. But also, if you do often encounter tanks playing in a way that prevents you from doing any DPS at all, you may want to check how you use your healing abilities.

[Elamys]

Tanks using their defensive CD's gives healers the opportunity to do so. Also, you do realize every healer has some sort of mitigation that does damage as well right? Earthly star, Holy, Assize, Shadow Flare and most are instant cast.

Er, not really. Earthly Star is instant, but has a delay upon execution (even if you detonate it immediately), one that's even longer if you wait for it to charge up, and it does very little damage. Shadow Flare also does very little damage, and a 5% Slow is not exactly much in the realm of mitigation. Neither of these can even be remotely compared to how strong Holy/Assize are, other than maybe "they're AoEs with no cast time"

[Terkhev]

You want to know the reason why it happens though? It's because tanks pull wall to wall so that Healers don't get a chance to DPS at all. They're stuck on a mindless loop of spamming a heal every 3 seconds unless they're a WHM that has benediction up so that they can quickly cast an Aero III or something just so they can DPS with a DoT.

Post you quote clearly stated that it's normal to be locked in cure spam in that situation and nobody expects healer to magically pull more GCDs from nowhere.

However, keeping a tank at 80%+ is a viable strategy. For some classes, you need higher and the reason for that is that's about how much damage the tank buster deals. It's better to keep a tank topped off with smaller heals and avoid the need for the big cd instant cast spells that are for emergencies until when you really need it. That way, the chance of the tank dying to the tank buster drops to 0, even if the tank doesn't pop cds.

So we talking raids now? I thought problem was with tanks doing big pulls? In most cases regen and/or Eos (yes, you can use Embrace above 80% hp) is enough to keep tank topped. Single cure before buster if not.

This entire post is toxic.

So far your post was one of the most toxic in this whole topic.

[Deceptus]

Shadow Flare also does very little damage, and a 5% Slow is not exactly much in the realm of mitigation.

It's free, both SF and Sacred Soil can't be up at the same time, and both have CD's so you might as well use it. There's no reason not to use it.

[KageTokage]

I can't help but wonder if the majority of healers who don't DPS are playing it as their first/only class, because after spending most of my time as a DPS/tank, it would feel unnatural to not be pressing buttons every GCD.

[The_Last_Dragoon]

As a Scholar I can normally do both DoTs and Bane after topping off the tank during the initial pull, especially if I use Eye for an Eye. There's also no reason why you can't do Shadow Flare, because it's off the gcd and 5% slow can make a difference if you're having trouble keeping the tank up, and doing at least some aoe damage means that the pull will end sooner.

[Elamys]

It's free, both SF and Sacred Soil can't be up at the same time, and both have CD's so you might as well use it. There's no reason not to use it.

Yes, but equating them as some major tool for DPS and mitigation isn't really much. Earthly Star should really just be prioritized for healing in the majority of cases since most fights have some big AoE (it's also really useful on those big pulls still but for healing). The damage is just like an incidental bonus. Shadow Flare just...is. It's just a little bit of extra damage. I don't think anyone is putting it down because "Oh, I need a 5% slow!"