Dear Healers who don't DPS

[Barkit]

Can't count how many times I personally have seen this exact scenario happen, just to have the tank or damage dealers complain that the healer needs to DPS to get the mobs down faster. I've seen it in Bardam, Abania, and Ala Mhigo, to name a few.

You have my condolences.
To quote Chris Redfield whenever I'm healing for roulettes, "No one's dying on my watch".

[Karshan]

I will never complain about a heal that uses all his GCDs to heal. I’ve been using SCH at the beginning of SB (to tag faster) without the buffs, with tanks in STR gear packing from wall to wall forgetting it wasn’t good old 60 roulette with 40 more ilvls, not popping CDs. So I know sometimes healing on packs can be hellish and require almost all of your time.

But if it goes well why not throw in a skill ? Again, they are not ranting on a heal needing to do GCD1 : heal – GCD2 : heal – GCD3 : heal – GCD4 : heal – GCD5 : heal.

What people are annoyed with is heals going GCD1 : heal – GCD2 : nothing – GCD3 : nothing – GCD4 : nothing – GCD5 : heal. Please put 2 DOTs and a spell instead of those nothings.

And on a boss, where you can usually spend 80% of your GCDs DPSing. Are you gonna stay inactive 80% of the time watching butterflies ? If your answer is yes, you’re out of my party, simple as that. Well not really cause I never kick people or trashtalk them, but commendation won't be there for sure.

[Sebazy]

Fun fact, a well placed Aero III on a large pull is worth 1.5k DPS+ in itself. Time Assize right and you can net well over 80k's worth of damage from a single instant. WHM is the way forward for dungeons =(

[Mirhd]

Not reading through 44 pages. No, I'm not very charitable in this post, as I'm tired of of this nonsense. Nail me to the wall - don't care. (Off topic: 1k character limit? ... Seriously?)

Names have been blurred to protect the clueless... though I would love to spare others the frustration of dealing with this lot, especially the Dark Knight "tank". My name is blurred as well (though it's clearly next to my post!) because I could not be assed to skip each line with the blur tool. Sue me.

For context: tank was level 62, the dungeon was Sirensong, I'm not a 70 WM yet, I don't pull for the tank, ever, because I've tanked in other MMOs and hate when dps/healers do this, and it's just silly to begin with. Also, everyone had already run it since there was no "one or more members have yet to complete this blahblahblah" message in the text box at the start of the run. The tank also wasn't doing "super tank ADHD pulls" which was nice for a change, since I'd been healing some runs with tanks that pulled more than they (or the dps) could reasonably handle(ie, use CDs and spam healing, hoping things die soon). Rarely type anything either, outside of a standard greeting and parting line, or mechanics if someone hasn't done a boss yet.

Our dps (RDM, other was Bard, I think. Or MCH? already forgot) wasn't incredible, so I do what I usually do regardless if no one is dying and I don't need to worry about mana for another pack, and toss out some dps. When I typed "I'll scale back a bit", this is after the tank has already initiated the fight with a pack (yes... after Unleash, which he barely used after the first), since I still pulled aggro as a WM, healing while tossing out a few Holy spells. This, uh, typically never happens, and I've healed a Sirensong before with an undergeared tank who STILL held better aggro than the one in the image(I didn't care that he was undergeared much since he was still doing his job well enough, but the Bard for that run sure did). And, yes, I did not use Holy again after the tank asked me to stop. I did use Aero 3 occasionally though, which does barely any damage compared to aoe from a dps class, thus, generates barely any enmity/aggro for a tank that isn't asleep at the keyboard(dat sweet, sweet 40 potency...).

Being I'm an insomniac and, as a result, barely remembering boss names unless they're notable, gonna go with "squid boss", "shadow boss". Anyway, on the squid I had to ask people to stack when the GIANT, helpful marker appears, and they only did it for the last one before the boss finally died. For the shadow boss, well, chat seems pretty clear. I tend to stay in the center for Bloodthurst (oh noes, typed bloodboil in chat instead!) so I can hit as many people with aoe healing as possible, and still missed people a few times... somehow... including the tank, cause he kept running away from me during it. Apparently asking them to stay a bit closer was a bit too much to ask... I don't even know anymore. Loved the patronizing "you're doing great", by the way - I actually was doing fine, but not the point.

So we get to that one part that looks like a crypt with all the adds that tanks seem to love mass pulling, (and this tank did just that) which leaves NO ROOM to cast Stone 3 "multiple times" like the tank was claiming, otherwise said tank can easily die in a few seconds... And he fsking would have, if I hadn't popped CDs and spammed heals on that idiot because he was taking tons of freaking damage while the dps slowly bled the pack... while I was taking hits (yes, I ran over to him, dps didn't), because the tank couldn't be bothered to fsking group them all up and hit them with Unleash a few times, so I was drawing heal aggro while keeping those mooks and myself alive. Also, Stone 3 is apparently an aoe now? Because even if I had the time to cast it, how the bloody blue hell would I have drawn aggro from more than one mob otherwise? It's the heal aggro! You know, from the mobs you weren't tanking! Ugh. I can be kind of spacey myself, but for crying out loud people, think before you type! (...Still didn't wipe once btw, sorry not really to disappoint any of you expecting it. Can't speak for what happened after, though.) Dpsed a bit to help clear things out once I was sure no one was gonna die. When I typed "I don't even have that spell", I assume the tank thought I was the one making dem pretty diamond lookin' tings appearin'. Which, uh, yeah, WHs don't have that.

I try to explain this, and end up getting kicked from the group, which is bloody hilarious. The (lackluster) dps must have Stockholm syndrome or something, because I can't imagine why they'd actually put up with that idiot... and people DID put up with that "tank" in roulette... for 47... freaking... levels? ... Are you kidding me? If this was his tanking, I don't want to see what he's like as an AST (don't remember the exact level when I checked, believe it was in the 60 range as well). It's one thing if a person is still learning early on, but at level 60+? No damn excuse. Enjoy your awful tank/healer, I suppose.

Anyway, the very last line in that image is from the next group I immediately queued into, Violet Tides(heyo, healer queue times! you clueless buggers sure taught me a lesson!). Aside from one person being a bit of a prick, the run was fine. Decided not to use Holy anyway though because I was just too fed up with everything at that point.

So... yeah. People like you, OP, and like the tank/dps from that run, are the reason healers end up queuing as dps classes. Get your head out of your rear, take a good look around, and realize you are not as badass as you seem to believe yourself to be.

Edited for some spelling issues, still not perfect but whatever.

[Taika]

So... yeah. People like you, OP, and like the tank/dps from that run, are the reason healers end up queuing as dps classes. Get your head out of your rear, take a good look around, and realize you are not as badass as you seem to believe yourself to be.

Obviously you had a s*itty situation in DF, but surely that has absolutely nothing to do with the OP, so no reason to direct your anger at her.

[ForgottenScholar]

As a whole i actually find the community very toxic over this, to the point of it being entirely pathetic. Healers are a fluid role that when working well will heal, buff then dps as they CHOOSE depending on they own decisions as a healer. They know the job to their expectations so it seems fair to allow them to do what they choose is optimal for them. The healers you speak of are either inexperienced or have chosen to heal exclusively for their own reason, vindicating them as such is beneath this community. As such I have hung up my healing roles as form of protest until community gets a GRIP!!.
Easiest option is for you all to ask the devs to make a true combat medic that heals off of its dps skills or makes more spells like Assize. Earthly star and energy drain. Resource management off of dps spells will align it like tanks dps rotation. Feel free to reply to this but I shant be on here again, as forums are the worst behaviour I have seen from a community.

[Cynfael]

ALThe healers you speak of are either inexperienced or have chosen to heal exclusively for their own reason, vindicating them as such is beneath this community. As such I have hung up my healing roles as form of protest until community gets a GRIP!!.

Inexperienced healers are given a pass by virtually every participant in these discussions. That particular straw man is getting old.

Players who "have chosen to heal exclusively for their own reason" merit no special "vindication," at least not any more so than tanks or DPS who purposefully pull the absolute minimum because it's their prerogative to do so.

Finally, why do people continue to assume that a forum debate is widely representative of in-game culture across data centers? I guarantee that there are tons of people out there who have no idea what we're talking about, are not abusing healers, and are not themselves abused healers.

[Blanchimont]

Dear Tanks,

Don't pull wall to wall if you want Healers to DPS. Thanks.

[Terkhev]

As a whole i actually find the community very toxic over this

Not toxic enough. I can't join dungeons any other role now, because I just can't stand the sight of healer jumping around doing nothing and I'm still nice enough to just ignore them. I wish I finally found one of those mythical toxic creatures that everyone seems to see everywhere. Maybe one of them could say stuff I want to to such healer.

vindicating them as such is beneath this community.

And who decided that? Being nice is one thing, but being too nice hurts other part of playerbase - those who find playing more efficiently (not even harcore) fun.

As such I have hung up my healing roles as form of protest until community gets a GRIP!!.

Idk about others here, but being healer myself, it's a good news if more healers quit. Faster queues and maybe even adventurer in need bonus?

Easiest option is for you all to ask the devs to make a true combat medic that heals off of its dps skills or makes more spells like Assize. Earthly star and energy drain. Resource management off of dps spells will align it like tanks dps rotation.

Gotta agree that such class would be awesome. But it wouldn't change anything for existing healers.

Feel free to reply to this but I shant be on here again, as forums are the worst behaviour I have seen from a community.

Oh sure. Say your opinion and quit without listening to any arguments. Pinnacle of civilized discussion. That's how you build good community!


I've been following this topic all the time and tbh it gets boring. It's the same argument over and over again. People just post their opinion without care that exact same thing was already posted and answered few posts before. I'd say to just let this topic die (not that it'd change anything), but I have personal interest in it being active and visible, so yeah... need more popcorn I guess.

[RulerOfPotaoes]

People don't seem to understand that the healer (the player) is self aware and capable of dps'n... it is (Not) mandatory.. it is (Not) obligatory to dps as a healer.

you do not demand or criticize the healer for not dps'n because for all you know the (Healer/Player) is just not feeling like dps'n for whatever reason.. and is probably better than you or what you give him credit for.

Not having to dps as a healer because its (not) mandatory is one of the few luxuries healers have for having the most stressful role in the game.

Ask nicely if your healer is willing to dps. If he says no then deal with it and keep in mind the things i mentioned above.