Please scale the difficulty of Royal Menagerie

[Sandpark]

Funny thing is most offline FF are easy because what you cannot beat you can overlevel/gear.

In XI pre abyssea this was not possible, you either got better or did not beat something ever.
Here you will eventually as long as the content does not stay ilvl capped.

Learn a game sure, become better sure, possibility to tackle more difficult content sure. But I don't remember one offline FF I did not complete the MSQ unless I got bored, that was FF1 for me.

[Felis]

your kidding right the royal menagerie is harder than , gaurda ex for sure, and Id say its harder than lamsiki extreme to, as well as bismark the only thing in bis really is the dps check on the adds, and Id also say its harder than ifrit extreme to

Do them with gear at the average item level of their time (ilevel 70-90 for Garuda Ex, as an example)

[Zhamkyong]

Funny thing is most offline FF are easy because what you cannot beat you can overlevel/gear.

In XI pre abyssea this was not possible, you either got better or did not beat something ever.
Here you will eventually as long as the content does not stay ilvl capped.

Learn a game sure, become better sure, possibility to tackle more difficult content sure. But I don't remember one offline FF I did not complete the MSQ unless I got bored, that was FF1 for me.

The point i was making is:

FFXIV is a Story Driven MMO. As a game, to view the end of it you must win the final boss. That's all this is about. We are not talking about Ifrit Hard, we are talking about Shinryu who happens to be the last boss on the MSQ. You want to see the rest? Win the battle. You cant win? if it's your fault, then learn. If the problem is your companions try to reason with them and play as a team, that's how this game is played despite some trying to "play their way". It's dissapointing that because someone for reasons wants a nerf just because he cant just win like everyone else, and the rest of us have to bow to their sense of entitlement.

[Avatre]

Do them with gear at the average item level of their time (ilevel 70-90 for Garuda Ex, as an example)

Even using the Augmented Ironworks, or World of Darkness(Demon?), sets due to the fight taking longer will cause MANY people to wipe since a lot seem to have such short attention spans.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Funny thing is most offline FF are easy because what you cannot beat you can overlevel/gear.

In XI pre abyssea this was not possible, you either got better or did not beat something ever.
Here you will eventually as long as the content does not stay ilvl capped.

Learn a game sure, become better sure, possibility to tackle more difficult content sure. But I don't remember one offline FF I did not complete the MSQ unless I got bored, that was FF1 for me.

Started FFXi when it first launched vanilla in like Nov of 2002. I played it up till a bit after the moogle mini expansion came out. One of the things I kind if wish was still in FFXIV that we had in FFXI was exp loss on death and possible de-leveling because it feels like if this was still a thing there would be far more players actually thinking while playing the game.

The only other possible thing I can think of is that they make a min ilvl requirement higher in order to get players to actually do their lv 70 job quest before trying to do this MSQ.

[Nestama]

One of the things I kind if wish was still in FFXIV that we had in FFXI was exp loss on death and possible de-leveling because it feels like if this was still a thing there would be far more players actually thinking while playing the game.

That would ruin raid progression, especially as you gain no exp after hitting 70 (so one death = instant de-level).

[Vahlnir]

That would ruin raid progression, especially as you gain no exp after hitting 70 (so one death = instant de-level).

Yeah, I loved my time in XI, but I would be happy to never, ever see exp loss and losing levels from dying again in an MMO.

[Croweyes]

I'm mean honestly, shinryu is child's play. Not one mechanic is new or has not been seen already, and really if you made it this far in level AND story then this shouldn't even be an issue for anyone.
Every dungeon AND STORY Trial has honed and trained every player for story boss's such as this.

" Oh no, I have hit a mildly difficult spot. Better not learn and make myself better! I'll just cry for it to be easier "

[RitsukoSonoda]

That would ruin raid progression, especially as you gain no exp after hitting 70 (so one death = instant de-level).

FFXI handled this by allowing players to build a buffer that would stop at 1 xp away from the next lvl up. Additionally one of the other things FFXI did was allowed regaining some of the lost exp if you were raised by someone instead of just warping back to home point.

Of course you had people that refused to get a buffer like the leader of the North America based endgame LS I joined for a bit and we of course made him delevel every run in sky for lols >.>

[Sandpark]

FFXIV is a Story Driven MMO. As a game, to view the end of it you must win the final boss. That's all this is about. We are not talking about Ifrit Hard, we are talking about Shinryu who happens to be the last boss on the MSQ. You want to see the rest? Win the battle. You cant win? if it's your fault, then learn. If the problem is your companions try to reason with them and play as a team, that's how this game is played despite some trying to "play their way". It's dissapointing that because someone for reasons wants a nerf just because he cant just win like everyone else, and the rest of us have to bow to their sense of entitlement.

While I see some of the comments about Menagerie being harder than most extreme primals is kind of not really true. This instance is harder than all the primal hard modes for sure. As I said earlier, most dungeons/primals before this were only 1-3 difficult mechanics, not including the click on this gimmicks in the environment.

As you see in pugs. Alot of fresh players have a hard enough time remembering or learning 1-3 mechanics in the short term. Some will forget even 1-3 if they haven't played the game in awhile. Some players don't even watch videos or read guides commonly. Is it your fault they are either lazy, refuse to watch guides, or just don't want to invest researching because it is a game? No, but it is what is.

Started FFXi when it first launched vanilla in like Nov of 2002. I played it up till a bit after the moogle mini expansion came out. One of the things I kind if wish was still in FFXIV that we had in FFXI was exp loss on death and possible de-leveling because it feels like if this was still a thing there would be far more players actually thinking while playing the game.

The only other possible thing I can think of is that they make a min ilvl requirement higher in order to get players to actually do their lv 70 job quest before trying to do this MSQ.

I still am baffled by how often players quit instances when things go south. All you lose is time and get a ding on your armor even if you lose.

If death came with xp loss or de-leveling in this game, the number of abandons and animosity would burn the heavens. Now the requirement of the level 70 quest would go along way towards making the content more reasonable. So at least then the players would have a more viable chance at reaching their current ceiling.

But even then, there will still be some that this fight could be considered to hard for them being in the MSQ.