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  1. #131
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    Altena's Avatar
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    Altena Trife
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    Excalibur
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    Lancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Avatre View Post
    Doing them in all augmented Shire gear isn't that bad. It depends on how good/bad your RNG is(I just finished leveling my BRD on the weekend...was in augmented Shire all the way to 70 - except boots which were Bardam, at 69). The player's skill affects it more than the gear. Yes, the gear does make it so you can deal/take more damage, but the skill will prevent you from eating stuff you shouldn't.
    Honestly, levelling dungeons is where the difficulty is in this game mostly because you're generally doing it with a lower iLvl than what the dungeon gives you.

    Bardam isn't that horrible in full Aug'd shire - however if I am healing a tank in Aug'd shire in Doma, I will want to kill myself. It's pretty horrible.
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  2. #132
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    RitsukoSonoda's Avatar
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    Ritsuko Sonoda
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Avatre View Post
    Doing them in all augmented Shire gear isn't that bad. It depends on how good/bad your RNG is(I just finished leveling my BRD on the weekend...was in augmented Shire all the way to 70 - except boots which were Bardam, at 69). The player's skill affects it more than the gear. Yes, the gear does make it so you can deal/take more damage, but the skill will prevent you from eating stuff you shouldn't.
    You got away with this because you were a ranged DPS. However by not taking the time to gear properly you made the duty take longer due to lack of damage output. Undergear like that as a tank or healer its far more noticeable.
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  3. #133
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    Felis's Avatar
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    Skadi Felis
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    Ragnarok
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    It is around Niddhog story trial level, back in time where he was still fresh.
    do dmg, aware mechanics and dodge AoE.
    It is more a "let's see if you remember this mechanic" trial, because all mechanics already showed up in older normal contents.
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    Last edited by Felis; 08-29-2017 at 11:51 PM.

  4. #134
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    I'm not going to say it needs a nerf, but at the same time I can understand why some people want it nerf. and the only reason I say that is it's real easy to tell people to find friends or make a PF when you have friends and can easily que for it. But half the time noone joins a PF for it or noone wants to do it. Hell I've seen more people leave the second it pops up in que leading to some new players never being able to finish the story and therefor locked out of endgame. Like I said I am not saying it needs a nerf, but one person can't do this one alone, and for that fact I'm not going to jump down people's neck telling them to " get good" when they can't even get groups for it in the first place. It's not always " OMFG YOU'RE BAD" more so then " OMG I can't get a group to do this". Hell this is in relation to alot of the game. Telling someone to wait til 5.0 is pointless also cause as a new player myself.. I can't get any of the 24 mans done without waiting for hours. :c I dunno.. maybe I'm just projecting at this point, but it seems people are forgetting that not everyone has friends who will help them in all content. I know my friends won't help me get in the 24 mans cause when I joined they had done it all ready and see no point to doing them. I think it's kindof like that now with RM.
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    Last edited by sonicadventures; 08-30-2017 at 12:01 AM.

  5. #135
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    MOZZYSTAR's Avatar
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    Amon Kujaku
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    Zalera
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    Lancer Lv 8
    It took me 15 redos for Menagerie; the first time I queued in it was voted abandon as we only had ten minutes left. It's reminiscent of Chrysalis back when we first got to it in our stories. As a healer, Chrysalis was cry-worthy. It was SO hard and it took us just as many tries to defeat it as it took us Menagerie for SB, but each time we got a little better and made more progress.

    I've never done an ex-primal. Always been too timid to do it as I don't have confidence in my abilities. However, the more I played that trial the more fun I had. I think the new trials in general have given me more confidence as a healer/player. I get that it's not the same for everyone, but... It's fun in it's difficulty. It's just not a trial to do when you're dead-ass tired or half-awake or don't have much time to spare. And, honestly, after all the things we've done to get to this point in the story, one is more likely to be adept at their class than not.

    Anyway, I'm inclined to agree with @frizze.
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  6. #136
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    Sandpark's Avatar
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    Kronus Magnus
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    Midgardsormr
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    Summoner Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    It is around Niddhog story trial level, back in time where he was still fresh.
    do dmg, aware mechanics and dodge AoE.
    It is more a "let's see if you remember this mechanic" trial, because all mechanics already showed up in older normal contents.
    I don't think the issue is that it uses old mechanics. It's that it uses a ton of those old mechanics in one fight.

    Most fights besides raids are about 1-3 mechanics. So unless you did those primals recently, the memory might be put to the test.
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  7. #137
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    FabricioRF's Avatar
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    Theodric Bloodfury
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    Shinryu is perfectly tuned. People just need to git gud.
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  8. #138
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    Dzian's Avatar
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    Scarlett Dzian
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    Sargatanas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altena View Post
    Actually they did nerf Steps unfortunately.
    The main problem with steps was the fact it took best part of an eternity to wipe even when you knew you'd failed miserably. Even if the whole party was dead you still had to sit for that dragon to make it to the end....

    The fight wasn't hard it was just that crap. O cleared steps with 6 on it's second day 2. Polly still got the victory screenshot buried somewhere
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  9. #139
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    Cenerae Ten'aire
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpark View Post
    I don't think the issue is that it uses old mechanics. It's that it uses a ton of those old mechanics in one fight.

    Most fights besides raids are about 1-3 mechanics. So unless you did those primals recently, the memory might be put to the test.
    Maybe so, but most of the mechanics are very straightforward. Even if you didn't look at a guide beforehand or ask for pointers from your group, you should be able to work out the vast majority of the mechanics after the first time you see them.
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  10. #140
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    Altena Trife
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    Excalibur
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    I hate how similar these names are. The original Steps of Fate was nerfed but Final (The Nidhogg fight) was never nerfed.
    Ohhhh woops I missed the word "Final" in there... /facepalm.. Thanks for the correction.

    I practically never refer a Trial by its duty name.. Always use boss names so forgot what the Niddy trial was even called..

    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    The main problem with steps was the fact it took best part of an eternity to wipe even when you knew you'd failed miserably. Even if the whole party was dead you still had to sit for that dragon to make it to the end....

    The fight wasn't hard it was just that crap. O cleared steps with 6 on it's second day 2. Polly still got the victory screenshot buried somewhere
    Well if I am being honest, I went in there and 1-shot it with my FC, and I never really bother with roulettes aside from DR:Ex...
    So I have done Steps (dragon running to wall fight) maybe 5 times at most? I have to take your word on it.
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    Last edited by Altena; 08-30-2017 at 12:30 AM.

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