Please scale the difficulty of Royal Menagerie

[missybee]

Bismark, ravana, garuda, ifrit , Id actually say that royal is harder than all of these and lakimismi extreme just saying

When they were relevant? No way.

Bismark required a modicum of coordination, and upon its release, the DPS checks were mildly difficult.

Ravana actually has mechanics that are somewhat complicated (i.e. prey, swords and following divebombs).

Garuda also required coordination with regard to adds, dodging slipstreams, and actually being cognizant of the spiny plume.

I am of the opinion that Ifrit was always one of the easiest extreme primals, but I did the fight on DPS when it was current content, so I didn't really have to worry about searing wind.

The big difference between the extremes and RM, in my opinion, is how ridiculously forgiving RM is. You can have two to three people dead at all times and still clear the fight with little difficulty. As far as I know, there are no DPS checks, the healing is trivially easy, and none of the mechanics are new. Not to mention, failing any given mechanic doesn't usually result in death.

Sure, RM is harder than the absolute faceroll nonsense that unsynced primals are nowadays...but that isn't a good metric.

[Shihen]

Many people never do Ex Primals. They have no interest in that, they don't have the time to practice their FFXIV job endlessly, they have, you know, lives.

If you have time to hit 70, you have time to clear menagerie. It seems like people spend more time being upset about whether the effort they're expected to put in exceeds the amount they think they should have to put in, instead of whether or not they can. It's definitely a hard fight compared to the rest of the MSQ, but it's going to feel a lot harder if you keep telling yourself it's unjustified. Sometimes things are hard and sometimes that's fine.

[LaylaTsarra]

The trial is fine the way it is. Leave it alone SE. Some fights should be rewarding when completed and should require some effort.

[Vahlnir]

I would like to start out by saying that people manage to clear midcore (Ex Primals) and hardcore content (Savage) all the time. People also know their jobs well, all while having "lives". The Royal Menagerie is the final boss fight of the MSQ, so it's meant to be a bit of a challenge. That challenge consists of mechanics most people should have seen and know how to handle after 70 levels. If they don't, people will often explain in great detail what to do, because most people are decent. Objectively, it could be nerfed eventually, but I personally hope it isn't. It's a great test to see how much people know, or don't know.

[Legewiel]

I already cleared it on the week it were released, but i agree on nerfing it too! we have a lot of casuals and they should be allowed to see the rest of story too. They're part of the paying customers and the game needs all of them to keep playing.
If not nerf at least add that echo thing in there, so if you want to clear without nerf do a one shot, if you have trouble clearing it you go stacking echo until you're able to do the clear.
For the people that is like "omg they'll ruin my fun", don't worry the ex version is coming soon on 4.1 so you'll be able to show how awesome you are.

[Greedalox]

Lets face facts: Royal Menagerie, in terms of difficulty, easily is on the level of some Ex Primals.

The thing though is: Many people never do Ex Primals. They have no interest in that, they don't have the time to practice their FFXIV job endlessly, they have, you know, lives.

I've never beaten an EX Primal on my first attempt so I'd immediately call BS on it being as difficult as some EX Primals.

And nice needless jab at calling players no lifers.

[FoxyAreku]

If you think Royal Menagerie is on par with extreme primals, you haven't done very many extreme primals.

And as stated above: huge LOL saying people who can beat extreme primals don't have lives. I've cleared every fight in the game only raiding 3 hours a day 2 days a week, it's not hard.

[Zhamkyong]

Again if we want to talk about ilvl Id say the royal menagerie is harder than one of our current ex primals lakismi extreme whats the excuse there

No, it is not.

Royal menagerie may be intensive in terms of the mechanics it offers, but that's where the difficulty stops. The fight itself only requires knowing how to position yourself and actively participate in the fight without waiting for the rest of the group to take you by the hand as if it were a primary school class. Also, add that anyone who has completed previous fights of any primal in hard mode can see and deduce what is going to happen in combat. Even if it takes you by surprise the first time, you only need to remember his moves and anticipate them. The only thing that requires is to have attention to the surroundings and to know to move in the same area of combat.

It's hard? It has to be, it's the end of an expansion, just as Nidhogg needed to have head and cooperation at the time when everyone had the ILevel just to do it.

[Spiroglyph]

@Legewiel: Echo will most likely be added anyway come next patch, it's what happens everytime.

What I dont want to see happen is mechanic/boss nerfs such as
HP reduction
Mechanic related damage reduction
Boss damage reduction

Things which happened to SoF basically. Since we are already inevitably nerfing it by ilvl/echo, it would be nice to not completely trivialize the entire fight by making boss hit light enough to not be felt.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

I found the Royal Menagerie difficult when I first did it. Even after becoming far more comfortable with it and having much better gear now, it's still not something I look forward to seeing pop up in my trial roulette, if only because people doing it for the first time can make it more of a slog than it has to be.

With that said, I hope it doesn't get nerfed or at least not nerfed too much beyond just the echo buff.

The difficulty is certainly out of step from the rest of the story content, but not so much that its on par with doing an ex primal IMO. That half-step up in difficult makes for an exciting conclusion to the main SB story up to that point. It if became too easy it wouldn't quite feel as epic. And this is coming from a player who avoids savage/ex content most of the time because I don't want to deal with the learning and the difficulty.