Why do some healers feel entitled to receiving commendations?

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

As far as I'm concerned, I have three rules...

First : Being a cool guy
Second : Doing your job right
Third : Sprouts have the higher chance of being commended if no one stands out

I'd commend anyone who's doing his best to have fun, and let the party have fun, by discussing a bit, or just not being an arse... Then, if I see someone that's doing his job perfectly, like BRD or MCH using their support skills, or other DPSs having an impact so high I don't even need a parse to get an idea of their DPS... Healers that don't have any problem healing, even if they pregen....

When I think about it, the one I'm less likely to commend is the tank, probably because I see their mistakes more, as a tank main myself.

[Snow_Princess]

My comm always goes to the other dps if I am a dps and the tank if I am a healer, unless someone does something that stands out. dps healers who flawlessly juggle their role with a lil extra dps instead of standing and doing nothing, for instance. Tanks that pull big and rotate their cooldowns so effectively the healer doesn't struggle is another.

The person who 100% will never get a comm from me no matter how good they are...someone who asks for them.

"Thanks for the run, and don't forget to give me a commendation!" - Nope

Does that really happen though? Even the first post does not bring it up:

Not all healers, but I have noticed that a certain group of players, mainly healers and tanks, who complain on forums, reddit or you tube about not getting commendations at the end of dungeon runs.

[Paladinleeds]

Does that really happen though? Even the first post does not bring it up:

Not that often, but I've seen it happen.

[hydralus]

I really wish tanks and healers got rid of this arrogant , doing-us-a-favor-for-tanking/healing, attitude. No one put a gun to your head and made you play a tank or a healer. You are not doing us any favors and no, your jobs aren't more challenging than DPS roles.

I agree they're not any more challenging roles, but when's the last time a tank or healer asked a DPS to help them queue for a dungeon?

As an aside I don't care about commendations besides the minor gil prize given for doling out 3 of them a week. But Hell if someone wants that comm for a mount I might give it to 'em.

[Mavrias]

I agree they're not any more challenging roles, but when's the last time a tank or healer asked a DPS to help them queue for a dungeon?.

24-mans usually.

[MoroMurasaki]

No, it doesn't harm anything. But it is a crutch that you really shouldn't need. You should be able to hold hate in the entire pull without telling the dps, "hey only focus on this." If you need it you're not a good tank.

Also I'm not talking about gimmick parties lol. I'm saying in an expert roulette or whatever if you just have the one tank and the one healer, it's not going to be a fun dungeon for the two of you. Just like if you have only the two dps it's not going to be a fun dungeon for the two of you. Just 2 tanks and 2 healers in a trial also not gonna have a good time and same goes for the 4 dps.

Also saying a good tank and healer are better than two mediocre dps they're with is an incredible logical fallacy. You should be comparing party members of similar skill level. That means either everybody is excellent at their role or bad at it or mediocre.

You missed my point by so much there it isn't even funny.

You have no idea whether someone on the forum is a good or bad tank without playing with them and certainly not from a single post not even centered on tanking. Your combative nature just makes you look insecure to be honest.

In terms of tank/healer parties and DPS parties the difference is tanks and healers can actually clear most content without DPS while the inverse just isn't true. Great DPS are a huge asset to a group but they do not hold a candle to the necessity of tanks and healers. I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings but this is not an egalitarian argument - all roles were not created equal.

I compare suboptimal DPS and good tanks and healers because the necessary DPS to complete most dungeons is possible from subpar DPS and therefor also from a focused team of tanks/healers. Support roles in this game put out enough damage to kill enemies while DD roles do not have the necessary support abilities to live without those support roles filled.

Badically we can do your job good enough to get by but you can't flip that around. Is this getting through yet?

In a lot of the leveling queues and even the 50 queues DPS is more important than the healer. You hardly even need to do anything save the occasional single heal, I'll literally do other things at the same time on my other screen when I am particularly bored.

This is an example of a post where you would have a reasonable argument to say someone is performing their job poorly. They aren't even focused on the dungeon and it certainly doesn't sound like max DPS uptime much less the ability to clutch heal and save the day because they wouldn't even know what was going on.

Also to respond to this "point" I would like to see a group clear most of that content without tanks and healers. Outgearing things is great but without some awesome party synergy and timings on potions/defensive cooldowns/self heals you would have literally no chance. There are certainly many leveling/50 dungeons that would be completely impassable, particularly things like Keeper or Chrysalis for 8man where you have a large amount of raidwide damage or tankbusters to contend with.

Edit: I am not saying tanks and healers deserve anything extra or that they are overall more challenging to play, only that they are more necessary parts of a party than DPS in the vast majority of content.

[Mavrias]

snip.

I literally never said you were a bad tank. I stated my opinion on numbering mobs. Past a certain level they are unnecessary outside of raid settings. If you need them in post 30 leveling content and expert roulette, it is a crutch that you use as an excuse to not properly build hate on multiple mobs. I have experienced this healing tanks in the past week. Every single one of them insisted on marking mobs in level 70 content and lost hate if their markers went on ignored. This was in Kugane Caste, Shinryu, etc. you can think of me as "combatative " and "insecure" all you wish. Doesn't change things that have literally happened.

But yes, feel free to tell the healer main about judging via posts while telling her she has hurt feelings over your opinions on the importance of dps. My posts have always been that healers and tanks are not more deserving of comms than dps. You seem to agree so I'm not sure why your arguing with me.

[Enla]

Frankly the only time I'm even mildly salty about not getting commendations is if I did something raid saving, regardless of if I'm a healer/tank/etc. Beyond that I tend to give out my comms like this; best DPS > DPS who was trying their hardest and wasn't a dick > amazing tank > amazing healer > everyone else with the exception of... > the person causing all the wipes or being salty in chat. Depending on the circumstances I might just refuse to comm at all.

[Galgarion]

Commendations are a bad idea simply because it feels like a critque. If you're a healer or a tank and you get no comms, you feel slighted because it's like getting zero stars in a yelp review. Who needs that? Everyone should just get a dungeon point for completing the run and leave it at that.

[MicahZerrshia]

Does that really happen though? Even the first post does not bring it up:

I assume you mean people who ask for comms?

Yep, have run into more than once. Sometimes at the end of dungeons, sometimes during trials before it even begins. It's not common, but does happen.