Why do some healers feel entitled to receiving commendations?

[MoroMurasaki]

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How about you don't tell people they are bad for something that is objectively only helpful? Sure I don't see a lot of tanks marking enemies in later dungeons but I would never say that someone is bad if they do. What harm is this doing exactly?

Also anything without a hard enrage is something that can be completed with a party full of tanks and healers. I would argue that there are things with an enrage that could probably be done this way as well. Please show me the content that can be completed with a full party of DPS.

There is a disparity in the necessity of these roles because of two basic facts. The first is that content is not designed to only be completed by top tier DPS, the second is that tanks and healers playing well (especially when able to focus on DPS) can put out as much or more damage than mediocre DPS. No matter how skilled a group of DPS players most content can't be cleared by DPS alone while almost all content could be done by tanks and healers without DPS.

None of this means tanks and healers are inherently more deserving of commendations but it does show that DPS are not "just as needed" as tanks and healers. Before you dismiss that try EX roulette as PLD/AST/WHM/WHM it is actually super fun.

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I 100% agree with you there buddy.

[SturmChurro]

why the hate on mentors :/

They already have too many commendations, rather give them to people who need them more. I'll still give it to a mentor if they performed well beyond the team, or saved us or something. As someone else said if one of them starts backseat gaming the whole time I just ignore them including commendations. Like the one in PoTD telling everyone this morning what to do then macro asking for commendation in his initial macro introduction... NO! We don't want to clear every single room and get every chest!

[Snow_Princess]

I do not care in the end, at least not to care enough to talk about it, but if I am carrying a group hard, like delta 4, healing and raising from people standing in dodgable damage with the other healer not doing much and I and get no coms? Yeah i feel salty. I even had one of the members point out a run that me and someone else ws the only ones doing the fight right, LB3 carry etc, or healing my butt off in PvP because people do not know how back off.

[Gemina]

It never occurred to me that I might have got a comm or two because a player liked the way I looked. Eek! It just kind of goes to show that there can be a myriad of reasons players will give comms for. I even think the active help describes it as 'giving it to a player who has left an impression on you'. There definitely isn't anything there about entitlement, or any concrete rule really.

I also see there are some debates between DPS and healer DPS rotations, which role is the most important, who has it more difficult, etc.

*sigh*

I wish we all could just see that these things are all very trivial, and the most important thing is teamwork. The holy trinity is not about who does what better; it's about a set of skills each bring to the table and how these skills are coordinated and harmonized in order to accomplish a task, a goal, or a mission.

I personally play healer because it fits my playstyle and personality. I understand my role carries a heavy burden, but also grants me a lot of control over the flow of an instance. And by control, I mean the ability to fix things when they go wrong. But despite whatever god-complex might develop with myself and other healers, we are still the most physically weak, and have the lowest HP pool of the group. We are so squishy, and need those tanks and deeps to keep the mobs from eating our faces or we're not going very far.

My comms go to players who see things in a similar light. I can tell who they are through synergy. I don't give anyone a comm by default. You really do have to make an impression, but it is also really easy to get my comm simply by not being a sheep.

[SturmChurro]

In a lot of the leveling queues and even the 50 queues DPS is more important than the healer. You hardly even need to do anything save the occasional single heal, I'll literally do other things at the same time on my other screen when I am particularly bored.

[Sammix87]

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What a stupid generalisation.

DPS are not the only people who can effectively screw up a dungeon run. I can’t count the amount of terrible tanks I have run into on using all my fingers and the same goes for healers and dps. No player of any role is perfect 100% of the time.

Recently I ran Keeper of the Lake with a BRD who was a newbie, me as WHM, a DRG and A WAR. The WAR was awful, so much so I wrote about it in Tales from the Duty Finder, they only kept agro on one enemy so as soon as I healed him I picked up everything else they had mobbed on themself. They never attempted to pull anything off of me and I would have been KO’d several times if the BRD and DRG hadn’t dps’d for their lives (and mine) and rescued me.

So no even by your logic Tank and Healer are not the only members of the player base who deserve a commendation.

[Mavrias]

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No, it doesn't harm anything. But it is a crutch that you really shouldn't need. You should be able to hold hate in the entire pull without telling the dps, "hey only focus on this." If you need it you're not a good tank.

Also I'm not talking about gimmick parties lol. I'm saying in an expert roulette or whatever if you just have the one tank and the one healer, it's not going to be a fun dungeon for the two of you. Just like if you have only the two dps it's not going to be a fun dungeon for the two of you. Just 2 tanks and 2 healers in a trial also not gonna have a good time and same goes for the 4 dps.

Also saying a good tank and healer are better than two mediocre dps they're with is an incredible logical fallacy. You should be comparing party members of similar skill level. That means either everybody is excellent at their role or bad at it or mediocre.

[Gemina]

In a lot of the leveling queues and even the 50 queues DPS is more important than the healer. You hardly even need to do anything save the occasional single heal, I'll literally do other things at the same time on my other screen when I am particularly bored.

These kind of instances aren't testing your ability as a healer, or anyone when your gear is significantly higher than what the instance calls out for. Everyone is, or should be in full DPS mode to get though it quickly. Even DPS themselves can't utilize their full power because things die before their rotation even starts to get going.

Your ability as a healer is put to the test when you know you need to take things seriously. When MP management becomes a factor, deciding who get healed or who gets raised, you're chomping at the bit waiting for SoS to come off of cooldown, your tank failed a mechanic right after you burned up swiftcast and you cannot raise him instantly. Decisions. Decisions. Decisions. This is where it is so easy to tell an experienced healer from one still learning the ropes, because the latter typically panics and makes decisions that are a detriment rather than a benefit.

The great thing about being a healer is that the easy and difficult situations I just described above can very well happen from back to back queues into the same instance. So again, I will mention that it isn't about which role is more important than another, it's about multiple players understanding what he/she and each of their comrades are there to do. Sometimes you're in the spotlight, other times you are hardly noticed. It's just how it goes.

[Khemorex]

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hmm well when i was doing MSQ and ive entered first time Ala Mhigo , i had a very arrogant DPS who insisted on speed running , ive told him to stop it coz it was my first time tanking the dungeon and i wanted to pull only one group at a time to get a feeling for the dungeon ^^

he responded with "oh i should be gratefuld that hes here to dps for me" , then i responded with " well if u dont like it feel free to leave :P , or i can leave and find another group :P"

so no its not really only healers or tanks :P

its just the internets where people's ego rise over 9000 :P

[MicahZerrshia]

My comm always goes to the other dps if I am a dps and the tank if I am a healer, unless someone does something that stands out. dps healers who flawlessly juggle their role with a lil extra dps instead of standing and doing nothing, for instance. Tanks that pull big and rotate their cooldowns so effectively the healer doesn't struggle is another.

The person who 100% will never get a comm from me no matter how good they are...someone who asks for them.

"Thanks for the run, and don't forget to give me a commendation!" - Nope