Just realized something: FFXIV is a terrible DPS player's DREAM come true...

[KarstenS]

There's Stone, Sky, Sea for that

And then?

Compared to the fights of for example O3S and O4S the rotation I do on the dummy and in the real fights have some major differences because of the downtimes that are part of the fight.

There are many possible ways how to handle them. But to know which one is good and which one not, its mandatory to have compareable results. Do I get them from the dummy? No.

[RichardButte]

If people act like this with it not allowed, how you think people will act with it allowed?

Once again, douchey people don't need a parser as an excuse to be a douche. They'll find a way regardless.

Hell, as it stands, you can troll people by saying, "I'm watching your rotation and you're doing it all wrong." and they have no rebuttal.

And here's a question: why is it okay to be mad at DPS for standing in the bad and dying, but not okay to be mad at them for not performing their role properly?

It's not like the game is known as a haven for bad players.

It absolutely is in MMO circles, though, and having no way of even knowing how much damage you're doing helps to give it that image.

MAYBE SSavage can fix that a bit, but being afraid of telling DPS how bad they're doing for fear of hurting their feelings is the MMO version of "participation trophies".

[vp_cmc]

insulting manner. Some even do post DPS numbers in chat without it being allowed.

It's not allowed, yes, but why numbers insult you?

[technole]

There is sometimes that one person that asks for parsing numbers in a random XPF, and that's okay. But even then I wouldn't paste anything because all it takes is one silent person to somehow get offended and report you. That's how lame some can be, maybe because the numbers make them look bad, when they really are.

But of course you can use other means to keep it out of the game like discords or log links. With a static or people you can trust, absolutely no one cares. But there are petty people in this game, as shown in this thread.

[FoxyAreku]

In a twisted way, I kind of love calling out bad DPS players just for the reason that it never happens.

Not even through a parser, but noticing they never use buffs, or they're just standing there autoattacking, or not using AoE. They always act so surprised that I'm noticing how lazy they are, and usually pick up the pace afterwards.

[AxiomPITCH]

In a twisted way, I kind of love calling out bad DPS players just for the reason that it never happens.

Not even through a parser, but noticing they never use buffs, or they're just standing there autoattacking, or not using AoE. They always act so surprised that I'm noticing how lazy they are, and usually pick up the pace afterwards.

I wish this were the case for me.

Earlier today I was running a few dungeons on Astro for once for quick Creation, and I finally witnessed what it's like to get put with blms who don't know how to aoe in SB. Even after typing out the aoe rotation for them, yet despite its simplicity, they did not ever use it. Twice, two different blms. The difference is completely night and day. It's truly a shame. Why would you not want to triplecast Flare Foul Flare and melt 70% of a mob pack in 7 seconds?

But it's not like you can force people to learn in one run, all you can do is put the information out there and hope that they absorb it. Some parties will tolerate it, others will not. The first blm was kicked by the party, and the second no one even said a word. Both times I gave them the aoe rotation, B3 B4 T3 F3 Flare Foul Flare Transpose repeat, and neither of them even tried it.

[Rawrz]

There is sometimes that one person that asks for parsing numbers in a random XPF, and that's okay. But even then I wouldn't paste anything because all it takes is one silent person to somehow get offended and report you. That's how lame some can be, maybe because the numbers make them look bad, when they really are.

But of course you can use other means to keep it out of the game like discords or log links. With a static or people you can trust, absolutely no one cares. But there are petty people in this game, as shown in this thread.

It's really shameful and awkward as a ps4 player to ask your numbers.

[LukasRavenholme]

I had all these ideas of weekly merit badges (which reset Tuesday), that basically label players as a Silver, gold, or Platinum DPS on a given class for several days. The way to determine this is by either completing a set amount of boss fights - raids, trials, or dungeons - at which point it tallies for you your average compared to some preset expectation of damage totals. Or perhaps the players could subject themselves to a rigorous, roided version of Stone Sea Sky, with moving, fighting, dummies with mechanics, that would give pause to even veteran players (dream on, right?). It would become another checkbox on a PF - "Gold or higher weekly DPS badge required for any DPS class you join as."

Basically a temporary achievement that says "This person knows how to SAM/MCH/whatever."

Problem is I'm not sure how to avoid problems where a DPS has a bad run and has it skew the tallies, causing their ratings to slip for the badge. I suppose they could always retake the tally by doing another 10 fights. And I', not sure how to set this up for tanks or healers.

And then I thought, well...why even bother with all this? Yes it is paradise for lazy DPS players, but a lot of MMOs are. At most, they inconvenience a group on a dungeon run or cause a few people to go looking for a new DF group. They don't really ruin the game to the point where something must be done. People already use meters when DPS matters. They'll fake a disband on Ex primal mount farms and replace a DPS. They'll replace static members on savage raids... Anywhere where ultimate DPS is really required, the playerbase already enforces tough restrictions on private groups with relative tact (most of the time), and understandably so - no one likes to waste time.

What perhaps worries me more is not slacking players, but more skilled players not getting recognition (other than unofficial sites like fflogs). Commendations are kind of a joke. SE might take a page from Blizzard's book with MVP screens at ends of raids, dungeons, or trials. Most physical damage dealt, Most magic damage dealt. Most damage mitigated via tank cooldowns. Most damage healed. Most damage shielded by magic shields. most raises handed out. Most time spent dead (joking, kind of). Most clutch heals. These sorts of official parses already exist in PvP, they could be adapted to PvE.

Might be a terrible idea, though. I'm sure I haven't thought it through enough.

[Remedi]

Honestly what's good on having a way to detect your dmg if most ppl wipe at the first spellblade holy in v3s anyway?

[loreleidiangelo]

Honestly what's good on having a way to detect your dmg if most ppl wipe at the first spellblade holy in v3s anyway?

Because you you can visibly see who is doing that and replace them for underperforming, whereas it's nigh impossible to see who is doing so low DPS that you're wiping to the last The Game even with no deaths?