Players Excluding SMN for Pf raid Groups.... Shame on you (ATTN Devs)

[Areic]

I mean, it's our right as players to ban whatever class we want for whatever reason. If you dislike it you can make your own PF easily enough.

Even if there is a popular misconception about their damage, they're hard to play correctly, and I see way more bad than good ones personally. On top of that, why would I bring one over RDM/BLM? BLM has insane dps numbers right now, whereas RDM does equal if not more dps to smn while bringing a raid wide dps boost and the utility of very easy resurrects+healing themselves if the raid is having a hard time, on top of it's rotation being ungodly forgiving if you mess up, whereas if you mess up with SMN....well shit.

It's something SE needs to look at, both in terms of their numbers compared to their caster brothers and their utility compared to the overloaded red mage

[basketofseals]

I mean, it's our right as players to ban whatever class we want for whatever reason. If you dislike it you can make your own PF easily enough
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Even if there is a popular misconception about their damage, they're hard to play correctly, and I see way more bad than good ones personally. On top of that, why would I bring one over RDM/BLM? BLM has insane dps numbers right now, whereas RDM does equal if not more dps to smn while bringing a raid wide dps boost and the utility of very easy resurrects+healing themselves if the raid is having a hard time, on top of it's rotation being ungodly forgiving if you mess up, whereas if you mess up with SMN....well shit.

It's something SE needs to look at, both in terms of their numbers compared to their caster brothers and their utility compared to the overloaded red mage

Honestly I'd trust a SMN over a BLM. When it comes to PuGs, you probably can't even afford deaths to meet the enrage timer, so the punishment is a bit moot. BLM however has INSANE dps loss just from being forced to move, and I'm not sure how much I can trust my average random to know the fight well enough to minimize movement.

[UnstablePersonality]

I've seen this a few times with machinist as well, bard only.

[Aomine1992]

I've seen this a few times with machinist as well, bard only.

Yea unfortunately mch is good but BRD is just better and mch has like no utility besides role abilities so imo they should be the insane dps of the physical range classes joining the ranks of SAMs and BLMs (other none utility dps) because it doesn't bring anything and has the same dps as a BRD if not less than....SE just arnt effective enough with mch changes

[Lambdafish]

4.1 is what 4-6 weeks away?
That's not soon enough

The devs aren't machines, and they don't have magic time manipulation powers. They have addressed your concerns, they are actively working on it, so unless you want massively half assed changes you will wait the ~6 week development time that it takes for them to rework the job.

[Remedi]

Yea unfortunately mch is good but BRD is just better and mch has like no utility besides role abilities so imo they should be the insane dps of the physical range classes joining the ranks of SAMs and BLMs (other none utility dps) because it doesn't bring anything and has the same dps as a BRD if not less than....SE just arnt effective enough with mch changes

no offense, but ignoring dismantle (which some prefer over trobadour) and hypercharge is not a good thing to do

[Aomine1992]

no offense, but ignoring dismantle (which some prefer over trobadour) and hypercharge is not a good thing to do

Dismantle is not that great and can be replaced by reprisal easily, and hypercharge is replaced by trick attack so I stand by my original statement and no I don't over look those skills but they arnt that inclusive because other classes can do it better and still dps better

[Kitfox]

Dismantle is not that great and can be replaced by reprisal easily, and hypercharge is replaced by trick attack so I stand by my original statement and no I don't over look those skills but they arnt that inclusive because other classes can do it better and still dps better

You don't replace Dismantle with Reprisal, you use both. Hypercharge is also not replaced with Trick Attack because NINs don't compete with MCH for party slot. If anything, it's beneficial to have have both because of Trick Attack+Wildfire synergy.

[Jim_Berry]

Players excluded WARs in the early 2.0 stage.
Players excluded us PLDs when Gordias was a thing.

Every jobs gets their turn.

[Jim_Berry]

I mean, it's our right as players to ban whatever class we want for whatever reason. If you dislike it you can make your own PF easily enough.

Even if there is a popular misconception about their damage, they're hard to play correctly, and I see way more bad than good ones personally. On top of that, why would I bring one over RDM/BLM? BLM has insane dps numbers right now, whereas RDM does equal if not more dps to smn while bringing a raid wide dps boost and the utility of very easy resurrects+healing themselves if the raid is having a hard time, on top of it's rotation being ungodly forgiving if you mess up, whereas if you mess up with SMN....well shit.

It's something SE needs to look at, both in terms of their numbers compared to their caster brothers and their utility compared to the overloaded red mage

I like those groups who want RDM over SMN/BLM/NIN and are waiting to fill that last slot forever.