Dear Healers who don't DPS

[Vyriah]

It cames from every other MMORPG, where not healing not the tank means he will die and so everyone else does in the few seconds following.

But in FFXIV, every trash mobs does as low damage as they have too much HP. Actually, I'm pretty sure it goes the other way arround in a lot of other games where off-healer wanabee that try to de every thing at the same time while not doing one correctly.

You're spending all those pages to talk about something that's relative to whole manner the game is designed and barely anyone seem to realize it.

[Tridus]

It cames from every other MMORPG, where not healing not the tank means he will die and so everyone else does in the few seconds following.

But in FFXIV, every trash mobs does as low damage as they have too much HP. Actually, I'm pretty sure it goes the other way arround in a lot of other games where off-healer wanabee that try to de every thing at the same time while not doing one correctly.

You're spending all those pages to talk about something that's relative to whole manner the game is designed and barely anyone seem to realize it.

Yup. It's a much better argument if it's about how the game design *should be*, and how DPS focused every single role is compared to so many other MMOs (to their detriment, many would argue).


But that's a different argument than one about how the game actually is, right now. Because how it is, there isn't a huge amount of content where you have no free time. Some of it gives you large chunks of free time. Groups are small enough and healer DPS is relatively high enough that it makes a significant difference. Take an extreme example like O2N, where the boss has a ton of health and can go upwards of a minute where the only damage being done is to the tank, and that is small enough that Regen can heal it. There's nothing to heal, so your options are to toss some DPS or /mdance.

I mean, I'd very much prefer to be using my interesting healnig spells most of the time, rather than doing the most boring DPS "rotation" ever created, but that's not what we've got right now. So I'll use what I've got and make suggestions that they fix it next time around.

[Vyriah]

That's an argument where all those healer doing only come from and why they're doing it.

I'm that kind of pick-up that'll actively try to out-damage the DPS just because that's the only fun thing to do. Wich allowed to renctly notice that WHM opener is stupid fun in terms of absurd DPS, I wonder how you can willingly ignore this bliss.
But then, I won't ask anyone to do the same.

And yeah this si a problem with the current state of the game, but then spending 40 talk about this is on the official game forum is more pertinent than just ranting at pick-up and telling people what they have to do. There's litteraly tens of pages about "yeah, but those other players out do this". Who care, I did shit in dungeons more than once already, and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone. Before telling about bad healers or tanks, try to remember that time ou YOU pulled those damn roaming jelyfish in Aurum Val and caused a wiped.

[Penthea]

I mean, I'd very much prefer to be using my interesting healnig spells most of the time, rather than doing the most boring DPS "rotation" ever created, but that's not what we've got right now. So I'll use what I've got and make suggestions that they fix it next time around.

High lvl 4-mans do go from one extreme to another these days. If trash is pulled normally and you have a good party, you're often going to have a lot of healing downtime which means doing the oh-so-captivating (not) healer dps rotation. If trash is chain pulled it's not unusual to find yourself having no room to dps until quite a lot of it is dead.

Maybe if SE start assuming healers will at least do minimal dps then dungeons could have more interesting pulls without the need for chain pulling. I'm not arguing against chain pulling but some dungeons have gated trash, so you can't always chain pull. And taking away the gated sections might make the layouts and variety of dungeons pretty boring.

[Tridus]

Before telling about bad healers or tanks, try to remember that time ou YOU pulled those damn roaming jelyfish in Aurum Val and caused a wiped.

I *THOUGHT* we agreed never to speak of that again. <_<

[RichardButte]

I mean, I'd very much prefer to be using my interesting healnig spells most of the time, rather than doing the most boring DPS "rotation" ever created, but that's not what we've got right now. So I'll use what I've got and make suggestions that they fix it next time around.

I came to this same crossroads and switched mains to DPS.

If I'm going to spend most of my time DPSing anyway, it might as well be with an interesting rotation...

Also, saw this in the other thread and it's spot-on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DxS7eT_ky4

[Miste]

I don't think you understand the concept that healers are only required i repeate required to use their healing kit.
Healer is the only job that Can do 2 roles

Uh...so...what happened to tank?

Tanks can tank and do DPS....that is two roles as well...

So I only have to use my "tanking kit" on tank as well right?

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED

[Penthea]

Uh...so...what happened to tank?

Tanks can tank and do DPS....that is two roles as well...

So I only have to use my "tanking kit" on tank as well right?

I get what you're trying to say but the difference is even tanks who only do things for their primary role end up doing dps anyway. Can't do a threat combo without hitting mobs. Standard healing spells don't fulfill the healing role and do damage at the same time.

[Miste]

I get what you're trying to say but the difference is even tanks who only do things for their primary role end up doing dps anyway. Can't do a threat combo without hitting mobs. Standard healing spells don't fulfill the healing role and do damage at the same time.

I can hold hate with Flash alone. I tried it on a few double pulls in a premade which that screenshot is from. I also only had a i265 sword while the DPS in my group had i275.

So why use a threat combo if I don't need to? DPS isn't a tanks job right?

I did 0 DPS and still held hate. So, no, you would be incorrect.

Even on WAR, yeah I have to use Overpower and it does damage, but an example from leveling dungeon say....Doma Castle. I can use overpower 2-3 times then just use mitigation and sit there and do nothing. I did some DPS but it is like 2-3% of what I could have done if I used my actual attack combos etc.

BUT I held hate and used mitigation. If that is a tank's only job then I did it.

Also healers do have spells that heal and do damage at the same time. IE: Assize and Earthly Star

Simple fact is if a healer is allowed to stand idle waiting for healing to be needed and not constantly using abilities then a tank can do the same thing. I can use overpower a couple of times and use mitigation and just watch a movie. If DPS isn't a healer's job then it isn't the tanks job either. We will be in that dungeon a lot longer, but meh why should I do more than my role requires? There are too many good movies on.

[Penthea]

I can hold hate with Flash alone. I tried it on a few double pulls in a premade which that screenshot is from. I also only had a i265 sword while the DPS in my group had i275.

So why use a threat combo if I don't need to? DPS isn't a tanks job right?

I did 0 DPS and still held hate. So, no, you would be incorrect.

Look I agree that healers should do more than just healing if their current situation allows for it...but a tank who does zero dps is a bad tank because the second any very skilled dps comes along they'll rip aggro from them. To solidify threat on themselves tanks need to use the threat combo or hope no one in the group is very good at pumping out damage. Whereas a healer who only heals isn't going to get anyone killed. They just make the fights last longer.