So, they're finally at least considering giving us a glamour log?

[Dark-Saviour]

Possibly. Or it could just as well be more intuitive. It depends how they design the UI (and indeed how they design the feature itself). I see no reason for jumping from the idea that they'd need to change the interface to the conclusion that the result would be worse than it is now.

It adds another caveat.

It becomes "The item in this slot takes on the appearance of the selected gear"...
"for the current/selected class only".

I suppose if they change it so that glamour must be applied through the character/equipment interface, that caveat would be less of an issue. It would only be problematic if you were allowed to right-click within the glamour log or inventory to apply a glamour as that would necessitate a secondary selection or an additional help topic defining the restriction.

And I hope that regardless of what's done, it's better than what we have no, since what we have now is a mess (multiple glamour prisms and all); I just want to see it as clean as possible.

[Alleo]

Would this post be a year ago I would still be hopeful and happy but after all the things they did until now and all the completely overcomplicated stuff they did I am just going to wait and see what they will do (or wont). They dont have a great track record and calling it glamour history makes it really feel like we are just able to see what we have glamoured in the past. Then when we are unhappy they will declare that the community does not know what it wants and are fine with what they have done even though we asked for something simple and different..(instead of something like Pokemon we got our current LoV >_>) or they say that its all that they can do because somehow "server...stability...other reasons".

I mean we have a big current thread about this with lots of interesting arguments and there are other F2P MMOs like Rift out there that make it really easy. So its not like they dont have enough examples of how to do it. But I just fear that they will try to invent the wheel again. v_v

But hey lets all wait for that App! So that we all can see from everywhere that we simply have no room left.

(Sorry this topic is just hitting a very bad spot with me)

[Bourne_Endeavor]

They dont have a great track record and calling it glamour history makes it really feel like we are just able to see what we have glamoured in the past

This is my concern as well. It sounds more like this "glamour history" will tell us where to reacquire items again at best, not actually allow us to just change our appearance.

[Dark-Saviour]

Then when we are unhappy they will declare that the community does not know what it wants and are fine with what they have done even though we asked for something simple and different..

This is one of my big fears with this. That they are going to shoehorn in a shoddy 'solution' that's easier to implement on their end, but on our end is overcomplicated, not particularly useful, and (given how housing went) is expensive or inaccessible (instead of a glamour log of all items in the game, something like a log with 10 slots per page you can choose to copy items to and each page costs 5 million Gil?). Then when people don't flock to it or eat it up, we'll get the response of "It appears players are not particularly interested in glamour, so we will not be expanding the system further."

But hey lets all wait for that App! So that we all can see from everywhere that we simply have no room left.

I have zero use for the app period, so having the team distracted with that is just sad. :-(

[Rhinos]

If the glamour log does happen, this I'd hope for it to be like this:
- New glamour set interface introduced as a new feature of the aesthetician.
- gear you have owned and bound to character automatically added to log.
- mix and match gear appearances, dye options, char customization options(i.e hairstyles) through the aesthetician and save as glamour sets for no cost.
- glamour sets applied to gear sets from the character menu instead of individual pieces of gear(less sure here, should the glamour remain if piece of gear is replaced? hmm)
- applying a glamour to a gear set would require the total necessary prisms/dyes as if each piece glamoured individually.

[Niwashi]

It adds another caveat.

It becomes "The item in this slot takes on the appearance of the selected gear"...
"for the current/selected class only".

It's more likely to add another optional step when we equip the gear. I really doubt the glamouring step would be directly tied to classes at all. That's because of all the gear that's set to be wearable by "All Classes". Is it going to be able to store 35 different glamours on each piece of gear if someone wanted to go all out and specify a different look for all 20 classes and 15 jobs in the game? That would be a huge increase in the size of the item data, and given SE's concerns over inventory space, unlikely to be possible.

If they decide to continue the pattern of applying glamours directly onto our equipped gear, it's more likely they'd give each piece a few glamour slots, most likely three. (Eight would make crafters happier, but would also mean more data space.) We could apply either one, two, or three (or possibly up to eight) different appearances onto the same piece of gear. Then when we equip it we'd need an option to choose which of its appearances to use. If you want your jobs in the same role to look alike, you'd only apply one glamour and it would automatically be used for all of them (so wouldn't be much different from now). If you want them to look different, then you'd apply multiple glamours and select between them when you equip the gear and save it to your gear sets. This would also work for differentiating things other than your current job, so "glamour for when I'm a paladin tanking a serious raid" and "glamour for when I'm a paladin hanging out with my friends at the beach" could both be set on the same equipped gear, saving you some armoury chest space.

The other possibility is that they drop the connection between glamours and equipped gear entirely and have wardrobe/outfit slots on our character and saved to our gear sets. That's a harder change because it's a complete departure from the current system, and therefore trickier to manage the transition when it's released, so I don't think it's as likely.

[Aylis]

something like a log with 10 slots per page you can choose to copy items to and each page costs 5 million Gil?).(

I doubt it would cost gil to expand it, if anything it would be wardrobe expansion tickets sold on the mog station. Or given the retainer system, wardrobe expansion "rental" pay $1 more a month sub fee to rent additional wardrobe space.

[savageink]

Reminds me of chocobo dying.

"Hey Square can we dye our chocobos?"

*SE invents an entire chocobo feeding system with outrageous amount of depth and complexity that takes days on end if you're not lucky to get the color you want*

"I-I meant like, throw paint on them but...okay...?"

That's perfect. My choco is blood red. I was aiming for black and just gave up when I got something that didn't suck.

[Dark-Saviour]

...

If the system still uses an item-to-skin map rather than a slot-to-skin map, I can almost guarantee it will be one-to-one. It would be ludicrous to try to maintain that system and have a one-to-many relationship defined; the result would be both cumbersome and inefficient. There are 2 sane approaches:
1) One-to-one mapping, either of a slot or of the item. Without unlocking all gear for all classes, this cannot be done per slot, so it would currently have to be a continuance of the existing system (one item gets associated with one skin).
2) Many-to-one mapping of slots to items. Each class would get an appearance slot for each piece of gear, which is unrelated to the appearance of any other class. This is a change to the system that would not necessitate unlocking all skins for all classes, but would be more expensive than a one-to-one mapping of gear slots across classes.

I doubt it would cost gil to expand it, if anything it would be wardrobe expansion tickets sold on the mog station. Or given the retainer system, wardrobe expansion "rental" pay $1 more a month sub fee to rent additional wardrobe space.

I considered that this is possible (and terrifying), but opted to riff on what was done with housing instead. >_>
Hell, I could see them making some sort of library where you have to pay for a limited space to store your 'glamour grimoire', thus turning half of the population on the other in a "Screw you, they're limited and I got mine" fashion...

[Naunet]

It's more likely to add another optional step when we equip the gear. I really doubt the glamouring step would be directly tied to classes at all. That's because of all the gear that's set to be wearable by "All Classes". Is it going to be able to store 35 different glamours on each piece of gear if someone wanted to go all out and specify a different look for all 20 classes and 15 jobs in the game? That would be a huge increase in the size of the item data, and given SE's concerns over inventory space, unlikely to be possible.

You don't store entire items when you create wardrobes and appearance logs - only whether or not an appearance has been unlocked. I highly recommend looking at Rift or WildStar's systems - heck even WoW's. Rift and WildStar allow you to save multiple outfits that you can switch around at will for free. WoW lets you save outfits, though you have to visit the transmog NPC in order to swap them (and it incurs a gold cost).

I doubt it would cost gil to expand it, if anything it would be wardrobe expansion tickets sold on the mog station. Or given the retainer system, wardrobe expansion "rental" pay $1 more a month sub fee to rent additional wardrobe space.

If they did this, it would be THE best way to make me quit on the spot.