Any other palis have this issue

[bswpayton]

Just a quick post on asking for some tips on what to do. So I think Im playing more 3.0 pali than 4.0 pali but its not on purpose. So when Im playing pali the one thing I know on this tank is that I can heal myself in comparison to the other two tanks. So I find myself using more clemecy's than I do hs just because I dont have that trust in players that maybe i should. If Im at 25 percent health Im healing myself I just dont feel comfortable enough to just sit at 25 percent health and rely on my healer.

So this is certainly effecting my dps Im sure any major tank buster Im clemency myself twice because I just dont like to feel vulnerable like that. Like for example in v1s Requiescat could be off cool down but instead of using it after twin bolts I will clemecy myself because I just dont have that trust. Especially after he does a roar and the other move that brings ur health to like 10 percent , because I know if I die even tho its not my fault people will blame it on me. So any thoughts on this anyone else find themselves doing something similar.

[silverlunarfox]

Healing is the healers job. Unless shit is really going down there should be no need to clemency. All of the healers have an oh shit heal. Unless youre healer is the worst healer on the planet (they do exist) you shouldn't worry about your health.

As for it affecting your dps, it probably is. You are doing content where dps will matter. but that same content does require a good healer. if you can't trust your healer, the issue isn't just you. So if you die, unless youre specifically standing in something that will kill you, its not your fault. your healer should know when to heal you, when to keep you topped, and when you can hover at 25% health. Your clemency is a great back up, but should never be relied upon imo over relying on your healer.

[bswpayton]

Healing is

As for it affecting your dps, it probably is. You are doing content where dps will matter. but that same content does require a good healer. if you can't trust your healer, the issue isn't just you. So if you die, unless youre specifically standing in something that will kill you, its not your fault. your healer should know when to heal you, when to keep you topped, and when you can hover at 25% health. Your clemency is a great back up, but should never be relied upon imo over relying on your healer.

i do most of my content solo in df so I dont know any of the healers I run stuff with , so its just really difficult to have such trust when I have such an amazing heal at my disposal. And I just hate feeling Like I let the group down even if its not my fault, cant tell you have many tanks ive seen die to twin bolt.

[Dzian]

Depends largely in who your playing with I think. If I know the healers I can be sitting at 10% hp and not bat an eyelid. At the same time if i am the healer i can often leave the tank at 10% hp and not worry about it. No big hits coming in the next 10 seconds long as he can take a couple of auto attacks. I got time to refresh my dots.

Recently seems I don't even need to worry about crits these days its like bosses have stopped doing them. Which makes the incoming damage even more predictable.

If a df group or something though at 20% hp I'd probably be looking at hallowed ground and seeing if it's off cool down and popping it. Followed by clemancy spam if I'm still not getting heals.

[silverlunarfox]

Depends largely in who your playing with I think. If I know the healers I can be sitting at 10% hp and not bat an eyelid. At the same time if i am the healer i can often leave the tank at 10% hp and not worry about it. No big hits coming in the next 10 seconds long as he can take a couple of auto attacks. I got time to refresh my dots.

Recently seems I don't even need to worry about crits these days its like bosses have stopped doing them. Which makes the incoming damage even more predictable.

If a df group or something though at 20% hp I'd probably be looking at hallowed ground and seeing if it's off cool down and popping it. Followed by clemancy spam if I'm still not getting heals.

I've noticed this too with heals. Though sometimes they do still happen which ends up both making the tank and healer crap their pants XP but theyre still survivable.

As for your tank advice, thats typically what I do. If the healer doesnt respond in that, clemency is more of a go to throughout the fight.

i do most of my content solo in df so I dont know any of the healers I run stuff with , so its just really difficult to have such trust when I have such an amazing heal at my disposal. And I just hate feeling Like I let the group down even if its not my fault, cant tell you have many tanks ive seen die to twin bolt.

Random healers are often a crapshoot in what you will get. I've totally been in your shoes, but usually the first few minutes of whatever the run is will generally give a good feel of where your healer is at. If you feel they are less than good, by all means hover over clemency, but you wont know just how bad they are unless you give them the chance to let you die. Or like my friend likes to do, leave me at like 200 hp XP

[Gunnie]

If the healer is actually capable of DPS'ing (some never seem to), then with a big pack I'll use clemency as well. For the sole reason healer AoE > my AoE. Sure I loose alittle personal DPS, but the group gains more then the other way around.

[Voltron_HD]

Gotta trust the healer. I always ask at the beginning of a run if I can pull big or if they are comfortable with it. Based on the response, I know what to expect.

[BluexBird]

It's fine in dungeons, but doing this in raids is giving healers a false sense of security, making them feel as though they don't need to heal you as much as they actually should. Even if you end up dying (unless you were at full HP), these deaths will let them know they need to make some adjustments. It's part of their min-maxing the amount of heals they do with the DPS they put out.

Think of it like this - when you don't know the fight, you start off being in tank stance way more than you probably should. As you improve, you learn when you can and cannot get away with not being in tank stance, and when to best use your cooldowns. Sometimes you might die because you tried some risky shit, but at least you'll learn from that, so that next time you're either ready with a cooldown or tank stance. Healers have this learning process too - they'll usually start off by overhealing, and then slowly reduce this the more they learn about the fight. By using a strong heal like Clemency, you sorta throw them off from this, and then when another tank who doesn't use Clemency comes along, they might get confused. Of course, if the healer already knows the fight, it won't matter. Then again, if the healer knows the fight, you won't have to bother with Clemency.

So save Clemency for big pulls in dungeons, and for emergency situations like extended Apanda tanking scenarios. It's like Warriors and Inner Beast - you technically don't need it but it's there when things get ugly.

[aqskerorokero]

Clemency should be casted on your cotank, not on yourself...., and when 1 healer is down and other one has to aoe heal the group, you clemency that healer not yourself.

[Jim_Berry]

You'd be surprised at how important you are to the healer, especially if there are two of them. I can honestly say that I am more concerned with the DPS killing the enemy than the healer keeping my health at 100%.

Just understand, that a huge number of healers know how to recover your lost HP, especially if your health dips very low. Your timing of Clemency and their strong/burst heals will upset the healer because they wasted, say, a Benediction they had planned to mix in with their rotation.

But seriously, trust your healer(s).