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  1. #231
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    Penthea's Avatar
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    Nettle Creidne
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    Moogle
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    While not vital, doing easily 20% of the damage in a dungeon while keeping everyone alive is nothing to sneeze at.
    I completely agree. Just saying I'd rather healers spend too much time healing than too much time dpsing. Like everyone else, I prefer being alive in combat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    To say that you don't want to DPS because you only want to heal is pretty ridiculous. Damage is part of a healers toolkit.
    I think this is the better argument. Not to say healers should also do dps, but instead say healers should use the entire kit their class gives them.

    Like everyone else, healer class skills have a wider range of use than just fulfilling their primary role. If you find a moment appropriate for an ability, then use it. The only reasonable excuse for healers at high lvl to stand around doing nothing is when they're so low on mana they need it all for healing.
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  2. #232
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    Maeka's Avatar
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    Maeka Blazewing
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    Cactuar
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    You realize that Holy is mitigation right? Stunned mobs do no damage. Assize damages and heals at the same time. To say that you don't want to DPS because you only want to heal is pretty ridiculous. Damage is part of a healers toolkit.
    The stun doesn't even last long enough to get a single Cure off. I've tried it, thinking that the Stun will somehow help mitigate some noticeable amount of damage, and it doesn't seem like it does.

    The spell takes longer than normal to cast, and the Stun doesn't apply until the end of its animation, not the end of the spellcasting, and it's what again, 2-3 second stun? That's one GCD. I couldn't really feel much of a difference even on larger pulls, such as the two packs of dogs in Ala Mihgo.
    I will agree that Assize is awesome, and it should be saved until or used when the most mobs are around if possible/practical, and of course a Benison+Aero III at the beginning is also nice too. Bigger the pack, more damage you get. I wouldn't really sweat doing that over 2-3 mobs, but when you get 5, 6+ mobs then absolutely. That is, assuming you can do it safely that the tank isn't going to be in danger of dying.

    And of course, 1-2 mobs left... it's time to start throwing some rocks if my MP is good.
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  3. #233
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    Trunks's Avatar
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    Kai Earendel
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Maeka View Post
    The stun doesn't even last long enough to get a single Cure off. I've tried it, thinking that the Stun will somehow help mitigate some noticeable amount of damage, and it doesn't seem like it does.
    Look harder? For multi-mob situations, Holy spam is the single most powerful tool of any healer Job, full stop.

    Generally I make sure to have 1 Lily going into a pull. Pre-cast Divine Benison, so you can forgo Regen and won't pull aggro as the tank gathers mobs. As soon as the tank stops, Cure II [+ DB if off CD] -> Swiftcast + Holy -> Thin Air + Regen -> [Presence of Mind if off CD +] Holy. Spam Holy and weave in your oGCDs depending on the tank's HP status (Tetra if <=60%, Benediction if <=25%, otherwise Assize or Asylum), throw a Cure II / DB if you run out, and pop Lucid Dreaming as soon as Thin Air expires. And don't bother with Aero III.

    If your tank is getting wrecked regardless, they're either not cycling CDs, they're undergeared, or they over-pulled.
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  4. #234
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    Gemina's Avatar
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    Gemina Lunarian
    World
    Siren
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Maeka View Post
    The stun doesn't even last long enough to get a single Cure off. I've tried it, thinking that the Stun will somehow help mitigate some noticeable amount of damage, and it doesn't seem like it does.
    Sure it does. As a matter of fact, swiftcast+holy is my go-to when I need to give the tank's dwindling HP pool a break to blast him with cure 2 so he doesn't die while I'm casting it. Don't take my word for it though, ask any DRK how crazy it drives them when their Blood price is wasted by a Holy spamming WHM. If the stun is as ineffective as you make it out to be, this wouldn't be a problem for them.

    The thing about Holy's stun is you are not stopping just one attack; you are stopping a wave of attacks. You are halting both auto attacks and the special abilities of multiple mobs right in their tracks. The bigger the pack of mobs, the more HP is spared during those 2-3 seconds from the initial Holy. It's arguably one of the best damage mitigation tools when facing multiple mobs.

    On a side note: The spell is also quite flashy!
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  5. #235
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    Enla's Avatar
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    Crushing Fatigue
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 70
    As a SCH main I honestly have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea of not providing DPS, even if it's so much as one measly dot. However that's because I learned to heal when healer DPS was a heavy part of the meta. I still remember going through T4 on my former main and being told never to heal, only to holy spam so that the group could finish it without difficulty. I remember learning SCH on this character and my raiding friend beating it into my head that DPSing was what set my class apart, and that if I wanted to sit on my laurels it was the wrong class to pick. So to me it's not even a question of whether or not to DPS, I'll do it even if I'm not entirely comfortable in a new fight. That's just how I learned.

    With that said, so long as the healer is keeping everyone alive I don't rightfully care if they DPS or not when I'm playing other classes. Likewise I don't care if as a co-healer my partner only heals. What I do care about is healers doing nothing at all, which has happened FAR more than not I'm sad to say. So long as you're pulling your weight in heals I don't really care. DPS, don't DPS, just don't leave me doing all the work and having to raise you off the floor.
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    Last edited by Enla; 08-17-2017 at 05:28 PM.

  6. #236
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    Blackheart's Avatar
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    Blackheart Kasuragi
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    Midgardsormr
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    remember when people played video games to have fun? good times those...
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  7. #237
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    Taika's Avatar
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    Purple Rain
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    Sophia
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    Arcanist Lv 32
    Quote Originally Posted by Blackheart View Post
    remember when people played video games to have fun? good times those...
    Yeah, back in the old good days when every single player shared the one, true, same idea of what consists as "fun" in an online game environment.
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  8. #238
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    Kalin Orthos
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    Mateus
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Taika View Post
    Yeah, back in the old good days when every single player shared the one, true, same idea of what consists as "fun" in an online game environment.
    My goodness, you are bitter at the idea that someone may play differently than you.
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  9. #239
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    Taika's Avatar
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    Purple Rain
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    Sophia
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    Arcanist Lv 32
    Quote Originally Posted by KalinOrthos View Post
    My goodness, you are bitter at the idea that someone may play differently than you.
    You understand I was making a sarcastic joke about people imagining everyone wants to (or has wanted to, a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away) play in the same way and finds the same things fun? I would not have done that if I wouldn't get that people enjoy different things...
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    Last edited by Taika; 08-18-2017 at 12:01 AM.

  10. #240
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    Astral Flame
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    And this is why i spend more time fishing than running dungeons.... Just play the game to have fun. If you enjoy speed runs and go all out then use PF or create groups with friends. DF is DF and will have all kinds of players, sometimes you will get players that enjoy going all out and there will be times where you will have players that enjoy "smelling the roses."

    No reason to get upset over players that think and play differently than you....
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    Were numbers invented or discovered? How many Moogles does it take to make Kuponut rum? Answer: zero... They will give you a quest to make it.

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