Dear Healers who don't DPS

[Miste]

I take it you've never had an undergeared tank mashing the Sprint button to round up mobs while also in a group with "meh" DPS?.

Yeah, I have.

I've had those situations happen to me yet I still never fully run out of MP...especially on WHM. Largesse + Thin Air + Lucid Dreaming is godly. You ended at 25% MP which means your group had issues. 25% is pretty low and while you still had enough MP by the end to have tossed some DPS if you had time... it wouldn't be recommended in that situation. No one expects you to DPS with a tank and dps that bad nor would it be easy to calculate if you had MP to spare.

This falls under group failure as I mentioned in my post about MP. If people are failing something like tank not using cooldowns, undergeared, too squishy, and DPS failing to DPS properly then MP may be an issue, but it isn't your fault and if MP is an issue obviously due to your group then you don't need to DPS. I simply blanket termed everything to general failure of mechanics which if the tank doesn't mitigate damage they are technically failing mechanics.

I basically said in my post that under normal group performance you should not be running out of MP on any healer. This situation you posted is not normal group performance and it definitely would not be your fault for lacking MP nor would you be blamed for not DPSing by anyone who understands healers.

That's all I meant. Under normal performance you cannot use MP as a reason to not DPS. It makes no sense because our MP pools are really large and we have many things to conserve MP and gain it back. We only run out if our group is failing to play at least somewhat properly and that isn't the healer's fault and if you cannot DPS due to your group failing at something then that isn't your fault either.

[Thoro39]

I've landed in a party with 3 Jump Potion Guys as a WHM in Baelsars Wall and stuck it out for 60 minutes.
I was literally tanking the bosses as a Healer, the DPS failed literally every mechanic and dodgeable aoe possible while doing 2.x levels of DPS in Shire gear from the Jump potion and I could still do plenty of damage on my WHM. I even had to equip a vit accessoire to survive the last boss's tankbuster, since it exceeded a whm's health and stoneskin was no longer a thing, further decreasing my healing power.

So yeah, at least "some" degree of healer DPS that is not 0 is always possible not matter the situation with just a small modicum of effort and skill.
No matter how much damage a tank takes, not using cooldowns and having bad gear, a badly geared tank using no cooldowns will still take 0 damage for 10 seconds the moment you throw out 2 holies or 3. For any other healer or mobs that resist stun, Healers have abilities that do damage without directly impacting your healing like shadowflare, or even abilities that do damage AND heal on a short cooldowntimer like Assize or Earthly star. It's damage, and it's extra healing and it's all free. Anybody who doesnt use them is not even playing a "pure healer" very well.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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When do you use Lucid Dreaming? The moment your MP dips below 85-90%, Lucid should be on cooldown. This way you will get it back again either before the current pull ends or for the subsequent one. White Mage, of all healing jobs, never runs dry with proper management. You may also be using Bene too quickly or they aren't using CDs. In the case of the latter, it's a tank issue not a healer one. People here don't expect you to DPS if you're covering for other people being morons. We specifically refer to healers who make very little effort (or none at all) to DPS even when they have ample opportunity.

You are right. I don't join Party Finder groups. But that was not my point. My point was to try to explain why some players refuse to minmax/optimize/heal'dps. The core of the issue is he same as why there are so few tanks and healers out there. Healers try to dps and cause a wipe by inexperience ? They get insulted or kicked, or cause a party to disband in case of PF. Tanks try to get better at stance-dancing and cause a wipe. Guess what happens next ?

I have only ever been called out once for DPSing and the person, themselves, wasn't a good healer. Every other instance I've made mistakes, I apologize and we shrug it off. People are generally willing to accept errors if everyone puts forth an effort. Your feelings being hurt one time isn't an excuse to stop playing the job properly. That's just someone looking for a reason not to play better; i.e. an excuse.

[Vaxel]

My opinion in 3.0
The dps *shockhorror* dps.
The tank keeps the adds looking at them and not the dps
The healer heals.
My opinion now...
The blm dose dps
The Pld tanks
The Healers still heal, the sch gets frustrated at broken abilitys.

[C-croft]

If you have a healer standing there doing nothing, you fail as a tank. Pull more. If all they want to do is heal, then give them a reason to do it. :P

Seriously though, I don't care if the healer doesn't want to DPS. The general tactic these days is to pull everything you can handle and AoE. I always ask the healer what kind of pulls they would like and act accordingly. I have yet to see one healer say they want smaller pulls and then sit there. When I heal, I tell the tanks to pull it like they mean it. So it seems to me that the solution is to give the healer something to do. Even if it means pulling more mobs so they start ABC'ing on GCD.

When I am on healer, I personally love to DPS. Some people might not remember but stance dancing was challenging and fun. The fact that it's now gone makes me happy, because DPS just became that much easier.

One thing I find funny, is that some people in here are trying to compare derp finder and savage.

Also, MP management can get real if you try to over dps on SCH. That cost of Miasma III (or is it II, I don't remember, it's the instant AoE) chews up MP real quick if you tunnel vision.

[Penthea]

Seriously though, I don't care if the healer doesn't want to DPS.

Lets be honest, unless you're doing savage or ex content healer dps is not vital. Yes it's annoying when a healer stands around doing nothing when they got the resources to do something, but it's not going to wipe you in DF content.

I mostly see the opposite problem; healers who don't heal. That carry-on can actually cause wipes in Sastasha normal, never mind max lvl content. I'd much rather deal with players who are stuck in old school mmo healing than those who seem to have no interest in doing their primary role.

[Elysaine]

Lets be honest, unless you're doing savage or ex content healer dps is not vital. Yes it's annoying when a healer stands around doing nothing when they got the resources to do something, but it's not going to wipe you in DF content.

I mostly see the opposite problem; healers who don't heal. That carry-on can actually cause wipes in Sastasha normal, never mind max lvl content. I'd much rather deal with players who are stuck in old school mmo healing than those who seem to have no interest in doing their primary role.

Had that happen when I queued as Red Mage. The AST in the group only casted Gravity non stop and didn't heal once. I've ended up spamming Vercure. Sometimes I think those healers are just DPS queueing as healers to escape the long DPS queue time.

[Deceptus]

Lets be honest, unless you're doing savage or ex content healer dps is not vital. Yes it's annoying when a healer stands around doing nothing when they got the resources to do something, but it's not going to wipe you in DF content.

I mostly see the opposite problem; healers who don't heal. That carry-on can actually cause wipes in Sastasha normal, never mind max lvl content. I'd much rather deal with players who are stuck in old school mmo healing than those who seem to have no interest in doing their primary role.

While not vital, doing easily 20% of the damage in a dungeon while keeping everyone alive is nothing to sneeze at.

[xxhieixx]

I main healer and my husband plays tank/dps. Sometimes I'll be taking a break and I'll watch him run a dungeon....yeah, 99% of the time when I do this the healer is dpsing and letting people die/wipe or coming very close to it.

Now I get bored easily so if the tank is good I'll dps. However, I have always hated this concept. I picked healer for a reason, if I wanted to dps I'd pick, you know, a dps class. I'd actually prefer the tank to just pull more so I can heal and not bother casting stone over and over again.

Also, I will admit when I'm really tired or just generally don't feel like it, occasionally I won't dps in DF groups. But how often do we actually run into tanks, dps, or healers who optimize their class 100% in DF groups? I see these as casual runs and if you want to sit and just heal or just hit 1 spell over and over again while you watch TV, go for it. You want people to optimize their class to the fullest extent? Go run extreme's or raid.

[Deceptus]

I main healer and my husband plays tank/dps. Sometimes I'll be taking a break and I'll watch him run a dungeon....yeah, 99% of the time when I do this the healer is dpsing and letting people die/wipe or coming very close to it.

Now I get bored easily so if the tank is good I'll dps. However, I have always hated this concept. I picked healer for a reason, if I wanted to dps I'd pick, you know, a dps class. I'd actually prefer the tank to just pull more so I can heal and not bother casting stone over and over again.

Also, I will admit when I'm really tired or just generally don't feel like it, occasionally I won't dps in DF groups. But how often do we actually run into tanks, dps, or healers who optimize their class 100% in DF groups? I see these as casual runs and if you want to sit and just heal or just hit 1 spell over and over again while you watch TV, go for it. You want people to optimize their class to the fullest extent? Go run extreme's or raid.

You realize that Holy is mitigation right? Stunned mobs do no damage. Assize damages and heals at the same time. To say that you don't want to DPS because you only want to heal is pretty ridiculous. Damage is part of a healers toolkit.