Just realized something: FFXIV is a terrible DPS player's DREAM come true...

[Shihen]

I agree, DPS performance is the least visible of the three roles. A lot of the supporting points here, however, are hyperbole at best. A glance at threat meters will give a general indication of how each DPS is performing relative to the other, and when diversion is used the icon is very clear. Rotation analysis and parsing are unnecessary for this.

[Oscura]

I agree, DPS performance is the least visible of the three roles. A lot of the supporting points here, however, are hyperbole at best. A glance at threat meters will give a general indication of how each DPS is performing relative to the other, and when diversion is used the icon is very clear. Rotation analysis and parsing are unnecessary for this.

Elusive jump and lucid dreaming exist. No matter how badly anyone wants to convince themselves, threat meters are not an accurate method of gauging DPS in the slightest. Not a "general indication," not perfectly, not "somewhat," just period, it won't. If someone is single targeting during an AoE phase, and another is AoEing, the single targeter is going to have more hate on that one particular mob. It is extremely illogical to ever assert or associate DPS with your hate generation at any point.

[Shihen]

Elusive jump and lucid dreaming exist. No matter how badly anyone wants to convince themselves, threat meters are not an accurate method of gauging DPS in the slightest. Not a "general indication," not perfectly, not "somewhat," just period, it won't. If someone is single targeting during an AoE phase, and another is AoEing, the single targeter is going to have more hate on that one particular mob. It is extremely illogical to ever assert or associate DPS with your hate generation at any point.

Again, a little exaggerated. Elusive Jump is part exactly zero players' dps rotation, as is lucid dreaming, and the point where either does become the correct choice is likely long after a dungeon boss is dead and certainly long after it is clear who is pulling their weight and who isn't. And no, it is not illogical to associate two things that are directly correlated to each other. Yes, modifiers to their relationship do exist, but almost all of the situations those modifiers see use are edge cases within the realm of dungeon content. If someone is single targeting during AOE and it still is not clear who the problem is then an optometrist is needed, not a parser.

Let me just add that I am not advocating against the use of parsers. I very much believe the game would benefit from an optional in-game parser. I just don't believe it is the answer to every dps related problem we currently have.

[dragonseth07]

And no, it is not illogical to associate two things that are directly correlated to each other. Yes, modifiers to their relationship do exist, but almost all of the situations those modifiers see use are edge cases within the realm of dungeon content.

I thought the aggro list was reliable for this until I actually used a crystal ball. Running it taught me immediately that the aggro list is worthless as a gauge, completely worthless.