Just realized something: FFXIV is a terrible DPS player's DREAM come true...

[Nhisso]

You sound like you are a salty bad. Ijs.

[OwlBlackX]

WoW had DPS meters. But, if ffxiv get it... (I played in WoW ago)

Would come bad happen with meters.
Since if players noticed who low damage or bad heal. They go rude/abuse for players or kick them out.
This what I can see

[Nezia]

And that's why the game needs a dps meter.

I usually run dgs as BLM, so even if the other dps decides to afk the mob packs are still decimated, but goddam, I feel bad for tanks having to run with those guys pulling 3k dps on 7~8 mobs pulls, and if you try saying a thing you are the toxic elitist oppressor that plagues the community.

But I will not agree with healer being a high pressure role. 99% of the time in dungeons if you just spam your aoe heal it is very unlikely that anyone will die, as for raids if no one is running parsers so they will not know if you are dpsing or not, so if the bad dps will not be called out neither will you, and if you are not dpsing so it's not hugh pressure either since you will pretty much be sitting there doing nothing for 60% of the time. It's only a high pressure job if you decide to play it in a high pressure way, just like dps.

[Kewitt]

I pride myself in playing good. I can always tell who isn't playing at a base level. Great news. unless it's someone in your FC you will likely never party with them again get though and move on.

[Ariyn]

Or you know ... you could just download ACT and know if they are bad for sure. Most people run parsers anyway.

[Eclipsed]

I for one am glad this game doesn't make it easy to parse and that this situation exists. Not saying I don't want to get better as a DPS personally or that I don't try. But so many people look at FFLogs or ACT and see soandso can do X dps and love to berate others for not doing what they see there. But they are wrong in doing so. Soandso might be able to do 5700 on O1S but that neither means that everyone can or even that it is needed. I've seen it cleared by people doing mostly somewhere around 3800. But people will see that 1900 dps difference and call them bad because that is a huge difference. But are they? Not really... The fight still got cleared and they did enough.

[Penthea]

This does not apply to hard content, though.

- In hard content any 1 person can wipe entire Raid group (Susano's Thundercloud as example, or two Lightning AoE attack in a row)
- If DPS will make a mistake and die(sometimes many times), it's still a wipe due to low DPS and boss enrage timer.

Your example with the thunder cloud isn't a dps related thing. The thundercloud doesn't only target dps.

As for not having enough damage to kill a boss, that's dps making several mistakes. Maybe even constantly. Not just one. Whereas for a tank or healer one mistake can be enough to mess up the entire fight.

[Greedalox]

I for one am glad this game doesn't make it easy to parse

It is extremely easy to parse though- just not for PS4 players.

[Oscura]

"It's easy to identify bad DPS players, they're not using all of their class abilities."

Using all of your class abilities and knowing how to use them are two different stories. Anyone can press all of their buttons, anyone can do combos, it's about doing them in the proper order and applying your debuffs in proper order. That's why it's called a "rotation." I've seen plenty of people who use their entire arsenal who have garbage (read: below what is expected of the content, and only in ex/savage content) DPS. No amount of watching "rotation," is going to help you. I swear every time someone lies they can totally determine whether or not someone's DPS is low...

I've actually been "called out," for my DPS before, because my "rotation" was bad. I simply politely told the person that I cannot post my parses because it is against the rules, but that their sense of judgment was ridiculously poor and they should reevaluate themselves entirely. Their DPS was by far the lowest in the group and my DPS was even concerningly higher than the person in second. Let me make this clear. No amount of saying "pay attention to rotation and watch how they play," will suddenly make you magically determine how well their DPS is. Stop spreading this garbage.

[AlexionSkylark]

Why people are so OBSESSED with calling out people on less-than optimal performance?
This game's content is really forgiving. Just CHILL, man. Put some sugar over that salt.