What's with all these people single-targetting during big pulls in dungeons?

[Kacho_Nacho]

Because they think 360 potency is better than 200x10. :>

I brought this up in the other thread but isn't this discussion really about a mathematics trick? After all, even though you did 2000 damage, each individual mob only lost 200 health. Since mobs can do as much damage to the party at one health as they do at full, isn't it better to bring each individual mob down as quickly as possible by focusing all your firepower on one target at a time?

I really would like an honest answer because I do like to play well.

[AdamFyi]

I really would like an honest answer because I do like to play well.

Imagine a scenario with 4 enemies each requiring 2000 potency to defeat (for a total of 8000 potency). Your regular 1-2-3 combo does a total of 150-280-370 potency (total 800 potency every 3 Gcds) which results in you needing to perform a total of 30 Gcds to kill all 4 enemies (total 8000 potency).

In contrast, your AoE action has the potency of 130 which when hitting 4 enemies gives you a total of 520 potency per Gcd (in which we compare to the 1-2-3 resulting in 1560 potency every 3 Gcds). In this case, you will need to hit at most 18 Gcds to defeat all 4 enemies (total 9360 potency).

Edit: Just as a side example, if there happens to be only 2 enemies on the field (4000 total potency required), doing the 1-2-3 combo will only require 15 Gcds to defeat both enemies whereas the AoE action gets reduced to 260 potency (due to less enemies) which will require at most 18 Gcds to defeat both enemies.

[Penthea]

Blindly aoeing isn't good either though. I have had wipes because the dps did nothing but aoe a massive chain pull and the one or two mobs doing huge damage stayed alive for far too long.

I think a lot of players forget that dungeons are not designed to be chain pulled, so there are some mobs who do crazy damage even if the pull was done normally.

The key is knowing what targets need to die fast and what can be safely aoed down.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Why do people want to pull more then one pack at a time? It is a pug picked at random by a computer. What you like and what they like are not the same. Also anyone who has been around since 2.0 it is pretty obvious SE has sided with the smaller pull group. Can you pull more then 3 trash sets before you hit some sort of gate. We used to be able to go with friends and pull to a boss. But people got cranky and mean and fought over how randoms played and now we have gates everywhere.

We can't have nice things because people don't understand the difference between random duty finder player and picked party finder player. If its a party finder player go to whatever zone people hangout in and shame them. If it was some random be happy they dpsed like they know how to tap 6 buttons.

Because single pull packs are mind-numbingly boring. I would rather eat a 30 minute penalty than do baby pulls, though I haven't actually left any dungeon yet. What SE wants is wholly irrelevant to what the community decides. They want tanks in tank stance and healers primarily healing. Does that happen? Nope. When they've tried enforcing certain restrictions, people just stopped playing those jobs. Paladin suffered for two years due to the dev team's insistence on the magic/physical tank dichotomy. Warrior gets a stance swap penalty? It's immediately labeled the worst tank.

No. Some people project their preferences onto certain features. Duty Finder is simply a tool to randomly queue people together. What they choose to do and how they progress is entirely at their own discretion. If I get a BLM who refuses to use their very potent aoe abilities, I'm well within my right to kick them for "playstyle differences." There is no excuse to not aoe during large pulls.

[OwlBlackX]

I loved use dps's AoE skills.

But, I hated when in duty roulettes:leveling. Random 16-29level. They don't have aoe skills...
30lvl+ we have aoe skills.

Why I noticed only tanks get early aoe skills as late dps.

[ErryK]

I really dislike the mindset of people who enable slacker DPS.

[Nhisso]

Because they think 360 potency is bettere than 200x10. :>

Those quotes in your sig; wut?
Anyways, on topic:
Hitting low damage AoEs over and over is lame and inefficient af.

[Maero]

Because they think 360 potency is bettere than 200x10. :>

It really does come down to this for many players sadly.

Or you also get some that do aoe attacks on a single or 2 targets..
lols

[Nhisso]

Oh wow. Just read all posts.
Youre just one of those players that whines at every one and probably complains that everyone in every party is bad except for you. No one is playing their class wrong because the tank didnt pull 10 enemies at once and dps didnt spam low damaging AOEs. Get real dude

[Maero]

I complained about people not using AoE before because it made runs hard on me, esp when the single target people are pulling hate off the tank because of it. Once I even got kicked because the blm would take hate off the tank doing single target DPS and stressing the crap out of me.

Here is the answers I got:
BLM is doing fine
MNk uses too much tp to AoE and is never worth it.
DRG uses too much tp to AoE and is never worth it.
I will not have someone without MNK unlocked telling me how to play (When I asked to AoE and DPS was low from it)
No one told me before my dps was low so it is fine

There is many tp management tools available now, like invigorate and others not to mention all mellee now have goad..
They were bad players sounds like, when i play Nin, Sam Or used to play drg i aoed when needed and managed tp just fine