Just realized something: FFXIV is a terrible DPS player's DREAM come true...

[BubblyBoar]

You don't need meters to tell when a bad DPS is bad.

[Claire_Pendragon]

You don't need meters to tell when a bad DPS is bad.

While this may be true most of the time, there are exceptions, as most of my O2S groups cant beat the enrage timer, even if they dodge everything perfectly.
my raid group tells me I was parsing 3.8k on my 1st attempt, and since they ive gotten better gear and better at the fight, so i know its not like im not doing good enough. but since im using lucid dream to keep throwing MP to the healers/BRDs, I cant look at threat as an indicator either.

[KageTokage]

You don't need meters to tell when a bad DPS is bad.

This.

The attacks for each class are distinctive enough that if you've played them or done some research on them, you'll know whether or not someone is doing their rotation properly.

That said, I've run into PLDs who do nothing but spam their enmity combo in OS1 multiple times now. More depressingly, all of them had cleared it before.

[Ayer2015]

The attacks for each class are distinctive enough that if you've played them or done some research on them, you'll know whether or not someone is doing their rotation properly.

I'm not playing and analyzing every job just so I can pick out the player who don't pull their weight.....

[RichardButte]

You don't need meters to tell when a bad DPS is bad.

How do you ascertain how much damage they're doing vs. the (at least one) other DPS in the party?

I don't personally know what the rotations of all of the DPS classes look like at level 70, nor do I have the time while I'm healing, tanking or DPSing to scrutinize them by watching their character's animations instead of my own rotation, AoEs, HP bars, etc.

So HOW are you determining, beyond a shadow of a doubt, which of the DPS in the party is doing far less damage than they should?

The attacks for each class are distinctive enough that if you've played them or done some research on them...

I have not, and nor am I GOING to do so.

You don't need to do "research" to know when the healer let someone die or when the tank isn't holding aggro, and once again, I don't have time to watch what another DPS player is doing when I have my own rotation and CDs to watch.

And to further crush this notion into the dirt, I've spent plenty of time learning DPS classes in dungeons and I KNOW I wasn't very good at them, yet I have NEVER been called out for performing like crap on a DPS. I still regularly botch the hell out of my rotation as a MCH. I'm learning, but it's a lot to put into muscle memory. Again, NEVER been called out.

Tank and healer? If I screw up, I hear about it.

[Snow_Princess]

How do you ascertain how much damage they're doing vs. the (at least one) other DPS in the party?

I don't personally know what the rotations of all of the DPS classes look like at level 70, nor do I have the time while I'm healing, tanking or DPSing to scrutinizethem by watching their character's animations instead of my own rotation, AoEs, HP bars, etc.

So HOW are you determining, beyond a shadow of a doubt, which of the DPS in the party is doing far less damage than they should?



I have not, and nor am I GOING to do so.

You don't need to do "research" to know when the healer let someone die or when the tank isn't holding aggro, and once again, I don't have time to watch what another DPS player is doing when I have my own rotation and CDs to watch.

And to further crush this notion into the dirt, I've spent plenty of time learning DPS classes in dungeons and I KNOW I wasn't very good at them, yet I have NEVER been called out for performing like crap on a DPS. I still regularly botch the hell out of my rotation as a MCH. I'm learning, but it's a lot to put into muscle memory. Again, NEVER been called out.

Tank and healer? If I screw up, I hear about it.

Yeah it is just an experience issue on your part. Once you play a job enough you know what animations should go in order. Caster jobs like BLM are even easier to tell. Also there is the buff bar, if a brd can't keep straight shot up/ dots up, there is an issue. If there is not enough rain of death spam on monsters tab though the targets, most of the time one is dotted. Also if your talking about 4 man, a skilled DPS can EASILY tell how much the other is doing based on knowing how fast stuff should die. At this point I can tell who the issue is no matter the role I play. The only time it is hard to tell is when both are bad, and you can't tell who is worse, this is where enmity gauges and gear checking can help, if they have a huge ilevel gap, .. well you found yer problem.

[Deceptus]

You don't need meters to tell when a bad DPS is bad.

Nothing like 35+ minute dungeon runs.