Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[bounddreamer]

Reluctantly agreed to do a second 50/60 with FC mates after getting some Deltascape Normal drops for our bard and ended up in Xelphatol with another DRG. He was using a Padjali weapon and our healer kind of made fun of him for that but then when the DRG said he was a returning player, gave him good advice about where to update his gear.

All his gear was pretty outdated, actually. My FC mate switched on his "insanely talented math skills" at one point and calculated that the returner DRG was doing less than half my dps.

But he kept up a good attitude, was polite, attentive to tips about bosses, and then thanked us at the end. I commed him and was pleasantly surprised he returned the favor. Safe journeys through Stormblood, friend.

[KalinOrthos]

I don't consider myself a bad tank at all, but I tend to pull a bit slower than some of the more reckless tanks. Really not anything out of the ordinary I think, two trash mobs at most, if that. I've never really had a problem, in fact, most players I've run with appreciate it, lets healers throw DPS out. I'm also still getting my feet wet with how DRK goes after being a paladin, with my biggest issue being that I feel so squishy between TBNs, so that's another reason why I pull a bit slowly.

Then there was my last group.

Black Mage kept pulling and pulling and pulling for me. Healer was OoM on a lot of pulls. No diversions to ensure aggro stayed on me. Soon as I ask the black mage to stop pulling for me, she tells me to "pull bigger", my answer to which was no, for the healer reasons. The other DPS chimed in with "dragon being bullied by a potato" (BLM was a lala), which is funny, but still only served to piss me off. Left that group before the second boss of the run.

You want to see why more players aren't healers and tanks? Because of players like this BLM.

[Spammer]

So from start to mid-way everything is going smoothly, The only concern on my mind is the pace at which the groups of mobs are dying from the tanks large pulls. I figure the RDM is the kind of DPS who refuses to use AoEs in large pulls and I'm not paying attention to what they're doing as I'm just kind of in my own world with my rotations and whatnot. By the time we got to the 2nd boss I decide to take a look at the RDMs gear since it's been almost 20 minutes by then...The guy had near full Shire gear except for the weapon slot, Which was occupied by a LEVEL 50 WEAPON.

I immediately point it out and ask why they were using it in a level 61 dungeon, Their response? "meh lol". Fast forward to after the 2nd boss is killed (Which took a solid 7 minutes to kill) and the tank refuses to budge, asking as well what their deal was. "I just forgot to get a better weapon". I'm sitting in my chair with my hands on my face flabbergasted and am now convinced this person was a troll...We kick the guy, New DPS joins, And we kill everything else in the dungeon what then felt like we were setting world records in comparison to before.

And before anyone comes to their defense I'm going to ask you something, Do you REALLY think they forgot about their weapon when they clearly went out of their way to keep the rest of their gear relevant?

[LunaFaye]

I don't consider myself a bad tank at all, but I tend to pull a bit slower than some of the more reckless tanks. Really not anything out of the ordinary I think, two trash mobs at most, if that. I've never really had a problem, in fact, most players I've run with appreciate it, lets healers throw DPS out. I'm also still getting my feet wet with how DRK goes after being a paladin, with my biggest issue being that I feel so squishy between TBNs, so that's another reason why I pull a bit slowly.

Then there was my last group.

Black Mage kept pulling and pulling and pulling for me. Healer was OoM on a lot of pulls. No diversions to ensure aggro stayed on me. Soon as I ask the black mage to stop pulling for me, she tells me to "pull bigger", my answer to which was no, for the healer reasons. The other DPS chimed in with "dragon being bullied by a potato" (BLM was a lala), which is funny, but still only served to piss me off. Left that group before the second boss of the run.

You want to see why more players aren't healers and tanks? Because of players like this BLM.

Next time instead of you leaving, I understand it's frustrating, kick the dps. After they spend another 45 minutes in queue, maybe even a third or fourth time that day, they get back on their track and stop back seat tanking. You on the other hand will always get instant queue, and while I normally don't support axxhxxx behavior, in situations like that, it's the only thing you can and should be doing. Who knows maybe after that person got kicked for a whole week, every time he/she enters a dungeon, might rage quit. Happen to a lot of my "older" dps friends that couldn't be asked to be a team player either lol.

Healers and Tanks do not have to listen to DPS or have DPS interfere with their job performance. They wan't it differently, well play a tank or a healer. end of story.

[Avatre]

Healers and Tanks do not have to listen to DPS or have DPS interfere with their job performance. They wan't it differently, well play a tank or a healer. end of story.

Mostly agree, except when it is legitimate help that is being given. Like a tank not using tank stance because they feel they wont need to(had it in a Mentor roulette on my RDM...took a few wipes of me taking it with using Diversion AND Lucid within the first two minutes), or helping the PLD to understand that you can use 2-3 Flash per mob to help keep agro(and not to use Total Eclipse in it's place...or getting them to use Shield Lob instead of Provoke on ALL pulls - even bosses).

There are definitely times that I wish a tank would listen to what is being said, as a lot of the time it will help them much better than everyone remaining silent for fear of backlash/unjust kicking.

[Mysterysword]

Trials roulette as RDM. Leviathan.

It took us about 3-4 wipes (look, once you're up to 10% Echo, things start getting fuzzy) for us to even get past Tidal Wave. All thanks to the moronic Lalafell WHM who kept hitting the shield too early. And as for why we didn't notice and call them out after the second try, I personally found it difficult to throw out DPS, dodge Leviathan's attacks, and keep an eye on what everyone else was doing, at the same time.

[LunaFaye]

Mostly agree, except when it is legitimate help that is being given. Like a tank not using tank stance because they feel they wont need to(had it in a Mentor roulette on my RDM...took a few wipes of me taking it with using Diversion AND Lucid within the first two minutes), or helping the PLD to understand that you can use 2-3 Flash per mob to help keep agro(and not to use Total Eclipse in it's place...or getting them to use Shield Lob instead of Provoke on ALL pulls - even bosses).

There are definitely times that I wish a tank would listen to what is being said, as a lot of the time it will help them much better than everyone remaining silent for fear of backlash/unjust kicking.

That's advice and a total different story. But the moment a dps pulls, tries to be the 2nd healer, tells the healer/tank what to do when, and rages when that doesn't happen, that has nothing to do with advice anymore, that's back seat tanking/healing and should be punished. Since SE doesn't do anything about it, since it falls under "different play style" category, we the community need to "discipline" the newcomers and WoW players, because that's what it mostly is, I have yet to find a veteran that couldn't wait for 2 seconds and had to pull for people. They do exist sure, but it's mostly not them being these kind of players.

[Hasrat]

And before anyone comes to their defense I'm going to ask you something, Do you REALLY think they forgot about their weapon when they clearly went out of their way to keep the rest of their gear relevant?

Sounds to me more like a BLM/SMN job boost, unlocked RDM, and power leveled it to get into SB.

[Ignnis]

Got wanderers palace hm on my drg yesterday and was paired with a drg who I believe was a jump potion user. Said drg never aoed on large pulls, never used heavy thrust (ever), jump? wots that and their dps was so low I could kill two enemies in the time it took them to get one past 50% hp. Why would u do dungeon content if you have absolutely no idea what you're doing, why

[KalinOrthos]

Next time instead of you leaving, I understand it's frustrating, kick the dps. After they spend another 45 minutes in queue, maybe even a third or fourth time that day, they get back on their track and stop back seat tanking. You on the other hand will always get instant queue, and while I normally don't support axxhxxx behavior, in situations like that, it's the only thing you can and should be doing. Who knows maybe after that person got kicked for a whole week, every time he/she enters a dungeon, might rage quit. Happen to a lot of my "older" dps friends that couldn't be asked to be a team player either lol.

Healers and Tanks do not have to listen to DPS or have DPS interfere with their job performance. They wan't it differently, well play a tank or a healer. end of story.

Vote kick is only allowable when not in combat. Guess who kept pulling?