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  1. #61
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    Karuru Karu
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    So. checking out DRK after SB and seeing what they did with the MP recovery from blood price

    I figure since atm out of the 3 tanks DRK has the fewest options for baseline mitigation by observation so far because it feels like about half of DRK's mitigation skills were removed with no real compensation they need to atleast revert blood price's MP recovery per hit back to the ratio it used in HW. This would atleast create a niche for it tanking large groups of enemies since they'd be able to go back to mitigating damage on large pulls through drained HP with repeated use of DA+AD they could sit in until SE does something to actually fix the problem they created for the job trying to simplify the combat flow.
    as i explained earlier in this topic, DRK already has gotten his niche back, but not until he hits lvl 64 and learns Quietus.

    Blood price > Blood > Quietus > Mana > Darks Arts + Abyssal Drain

    with enough enemys Blood Price revovers enough blood to spam Quietus and also with enough enemys Quietus recovers enough mana to spam Dark Arts + Abyssal Drain.

    compared to HW they just added more button bloat and unnecessary complexity (wich is the whole opposite of what they wanted to achieve with SB), all for the sake of having a job gauge.
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    Li'a Mimerya
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tint View Post
    as i explained earlier in this topic, DRK already has gotten his niche back, but not until he hits lvl 64 and learns Quietus.

    Blood price > Blood > Quietus > Mana > Darks Arts + Abyssal Drain

    with enough enemys Blood Price revovers enough blood to spam Quietus and also with enough enemys Quietus recovers enough mana to spam Dark Arts + Abyssal Drain.

    compared to HW they just added more button bloat and unnecessary complexity (wich is the whole opposite of what they wanted to achieve with SB), all for the sake of having a job gauge.
    Too bad AoE pulling with Blood Weapon and Quietus is way better and gives you even more mana back.
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  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by Accelerating View Post
    Too bad AoE pulling with Blood Weapon and Quietus is way better and gives you even more mana back.
    really? blood weapon gives only blood and mana when used with physical attacks, but all the aoe's are magic based. so you have to single target for blood and mana in these huge pulls o.ô;
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  4. #64
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    Carlo Vinne
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tint View Post
    really? blood weapon gives only blood and mana when used with physical attacks, but all the aoe's are magic based. so you have to single target for blood and mana in these huge pulls o.ô;
    Quietus IS a physical attack that receives MP gain from blood weapon.

    But it also burns 50 blood gauge, and I'm not sure I'd want to take on a group large enough to see MP profit outside of grit.
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  5. #65
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    Yuri Goggles
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekimmak View Post
    Quietus IS a physical attack that receives MP gain from blood weapon.

    But it also burns 50 blood gauge, and I'm not sure I'd want to take on a group large enough to see MP profit outside of grit.
    It's rather ballsy, but generally for larger groups you can establish enmity in grit, drop and through shadow wall up to hold yourself over until you can start cycling your moves. If your DPS and healer are decent, then it's a superior tactic, however if your healer is sub-par or watching netflix it's probably a death sentence.
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    Khirrika Moshroca
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    In larger pulls you're probably going to be hitting TBN a few times, which should help with Blood gain. Most times I'm dumping Blood and MP during pulls on DA +AD and Quietus.
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