Do you want a cash shop in FFXIV?

[Cendres]

@Aenarion

He he.. Touched a nerve much? Yes they do mention potions but they do end with my bolded quote that the trick is to figure out what people are willing to pay for and provide accordingly, I've already said before that most companies realize the potion thing is really not something to stick with on a long term basis. And I foresee those items dying out.

My point regarding FFXIV is that I don't see the problem as long as it's done right. You're free to not agree, as you haven't. But that's how I see it and I've provided my side on why. There you go.

edit: As for you to tell me to get to F out of your game, which is rude and not really necessary, what will you do when your game and my game are the same thing? Will you stop playing these games? I've had to ask myself that question and this how I've come to this. Cash shop was not always something I was behind at all. So do direct your anger somewhere else.

[Tonkra]

@Aenarion

He he.. Touched a nerve much? Yes they do mention potions but they do end with my bolded quote that the trick is to figure out what people are willing to pay for and provide accordingly, I've already said before that most companies realize the potion thing is really not something to stick with on a long term basis. And I foresee those items dying out.

My point regarding FFXIV is that I don't see the problem as long as it's done right. You're free to not agree, as you haven't. But that's how I see it and I've provided my side on why. There you go.

edit: As for you to tell me to get to F out of your game, which is rude and not really necessary, what will you do when your game and my game are the same thing? Will you stop playing these games? I've had to ask myself that question and this how I've come to this. Cash shop was not always something I was behind at all. So do direct your anger somewhere else.

but before i shout for a cash shop ("here my money, here you'll get my money") i would ask for getting it for free (real money) ingame? its a little bit ridiciulous to ask for that. isnt it?

or you are missing the cash shop you have been addicted to in a f2p game. that could be a second reason. the third could be "hah, i have a pet which no other one has"


"AION" for example had a coexisting cash shop.. with the p2p payment model. i think no one liked it. except those who wanted be in the foreground... buying something in the shop which no other player has. for example white color for armor, a special pet etc..
and thats what makes you addicted. (they want YOUR MONEY)


but you always have to know... its just for the money why those cash shops do exist.
it should have been no problem for the developers to offer "white" color for ingame money at an ingame npc.


a f2p MMO finances itself through the cash shop, p2p finances itsel through a monthly fee and all "extras" (except server transfer for example) are for free ingame. and they should stick to that.


Asking for a cash shop in Final Fantasy XIV is like you would ask for "Please let me pay a monthly fee of 40 dollars.. 12 dollars arent enough) its a bit ridiculous isnt it?

[Visch]

but before i shout for a cash shop ("here my money, here you'll get my money") i would ask for getting it for free (real money) ingame? its a little bit ridiciulous to ask for that. isnt it?

or you are missing the cash shop you have been addicted to in a f2p game. that could be a second reason. the third could be "hah, i have a pet which no other one has"

It's just sad... Why would anyone want to pay more money?

[Cendres]

but before i shout for a cash shop ("here my money, here you'll get my money") i would ask for getting it for free (real money) ingame? its a little bit ridicioulous to ask that.

or you are missing the cash shop you have been addicted to in a f2p game. that could be a second reason.

Read my previous posts, especially the ones with the articles. Not everyone is willing to commit to a sub fee for a set amount every month for every game. You have to choose and many today are choosing not to choose, that is to say no P2P games at all. This is significant. Especially for a game like FFXIV that is in dire need of attracting more people to it.

I know I will play this until it shuts down or the appeal wears off, which I don't foresee happening soon, but I know people who were excited for the release of this game that simply will not try it after 2.0 for a subscription. What will this mean? We'll have to see. Hopefully it means nothing and the Ps3 community makes up for the loss of some of the PC people. I really hope so.

Heh getting way off the OP anyway. Have fun dudes.

[Aenarion]

@Aenarion

He he.. Touched a nerve much? Yes they do mention potions but they do end with my bolded quote that the trick is to figure out what people are willing to pay for and provide accordingly, I've already said before that most companies realize the potion thing is really not something to stick with on a long term basis. And I foresee those items dying out.

My point regarding FFXIV is that I don't see the problem as long as it's done right. You're free to not agree, as you haven't. But that's how I see it and I've provided my side on why. There you go.

We've had to go through the same BS not so long ago in Eve Online, and if you doubt that there can be substantial negative response to the presence of cash shops in a subscription-based game that offer nothing but vanity items, you only need to look at that incident. Suffice to say that in the end CCP had to slash workforce, close down offices, and for all intents and purposes scuttling their WiS portion of the game after losing a substantial number of subscribers who quit in protest of the direction the company was going.

You say the trick is to figure out what people are willing to pay for and and provide accordingly, but what you can't seem to understand is that in some cases this may very well be nothing. The cash shop model does not, and should not be present in every single game.

And yes, if FF14 becomes a lolcashshop game, I'm packing up and leaving.

[Cendres]

I've also heard that EVE online is adjusting their model. So no it doesn't invalidate anything. EVE's little stunt was an experiment that proved you can't push too far on pixel items. Something that ended up costing dearly and am sure others are paying close attention.

Making an MMO is a gamble in any way whether it's subscription or free or a hybrid, again I do stick that the trick is finding the winning formula.

As for paying nothing, in all honesty you end up wanting to pay for a game that treats you fair over a game that forces you to pay for things. Sure there are going to be younger people who'll get a free ride, but even in a freemium game there can only get so far and see so much for nothing. For some people that will be okay, but for your core group it won't and those are the people you want hooked. Gotta find the right hook.

[Visch]

Making an MMO is a gamble in any way whether it's subscription or free or a hybrid, again I do stick that the trick is finding the winning formula.

The winning formula is having a good game that will keep people playing.

Which this game presently doesn't.

[Tonkra]

I've also heard that EVE online is adjusting their model. So no it doesn't invalidate anything. EVE's little stunt was an experiment that proved you can't push too far on pixel items. Something that ended up costing dearly and am sure others are paying close attention.

Making an MMO is a gamble in any way whether it's subscription or free or a hybrid, again I do stick that the trick is finding the winning formula.

but as a player you dont need to pay extramoney when you are paying yet a monthly fee. why should i?

i mean shouting for a cash shop in FFXIV is like you were asking for increasing the monthly fee "please let me pay 40 dollars a month, 12 dollars arent enough"


they can make all stuff for ingame currency, a cash shop isnt needed for a p2p game.
really .... you have not to worry about the developer not getting enough money.. seriously...
they get a BUNCH of money with that..


but if it isnt successful many developers often try to convert to f2p for hoping to get more players. but its not at all like that, that p2p isnt a good business. sure it is...

[Lavani]

We've had to go through the same BS not so long ago in Eve Online, and if you doubt that there can be substantial negative response to the presence of cash shops in a subscription-based game that offer nothing but vanity items, you only need to look at that incident. Suffice to say that in the end CCP had to slash workforce, close down offices, and for all intents and purposes scuttling their WiS portion of the game after losing a substantial number of subscribers who quit in protest of the direction the company was going.

You say the trick is to figure out what people are willing to pay for and and provide accordingly, but what you can't seem to understand is that in some cases this may very well be nothing. The cash shop model does not, and should not be present in every single game.

And yes, if FF14 becomes a lolcashshop game, I'm packing up and leaving.

(Goodbye!) (Let's play together again sometime.)

[Cendres]

but as a player you dont need to pay extramoney when you are paying yet a monthly fee. why should i?

i mean shouting for a cash shop in FFXIV is like you were asking for increasing the monthly fee "please let me pay 40 dollars a month, 12 dollars arent enough"


they can make all stuff for ingame currency, a cash shop isnt needed for a p2p game.

I'm not shouting for anything I'm just stating something. The thread isn't asking if we should have a cash shop but if we think it's a good idea. Do I care if FFXIV personally has a cash shop or not? No I really don't, as long as I can play, I'll pay for it.

That said I wouldn't rage if let's say they added WoW's new pet shop for real money. 12 dollars a month, or what is it now? 9.99? Is really cheap, if they want to make money on the side with pretty glittery pets or mounts, that's fine.

Okay here's a question then. If they never add any type of cash shop, which knowing SE is entirely possible and I'm leaning that way anyway; would you be okay if they raise the monthly to 14.99 to a maximum of 19.99 a month?

I'm sure most of you will say hell yes, but think will others not in this community think that's a good idea? I've seen this question asked in the Rift forums before their launch and the results were all in favor of it. Which raises the question whether a fan community can really be trusted.

Anyway!