Frontline Bots

[loreleidiangelo]

I suppose that's about the only way to make Frontlines tolerable. :-/

Orrrrrrrrr, how about if you don't like PVP, go farm your exp some other way rather than ruining it for the people who DO like it? What a strange and novel concept!

WHEN are bans coming for these utter scumbags, SE? Do you even care at all about anything related to your PVP mode except how many people are playing it ("playing" lol)? Player skill, counterplay, competitive integrity, all of this has been going down the tubes and you guys don't care as long as you get to tell some stupid analysts that participation is up. Just disgusts me.

[Paladinleeds]

Orrrrrrrrr, how about if you don't like PVP, go farm your exp some other way rather than ruining it for the people who DO like it? What a strange and novel concept!

That's what I do. I don't enjoy PvP. SE could offer me 500 octodecillion gil, a large house in every district, everything instantly levelled to 70, in max Savage gear, all crafts unlocked, and all gatherers, all set to 100% HQ rate for gathers, and crafts are guaranteed HQ, and I have the stats to craft everything, with all books unlocked, in exchange for playing 1 PvP game, and I wouldn't do it. You can't bribe me into doing something I absolutely detest. The friends that tried to drag me into PvP very almost got blacklisted in game for it.

[Snow_Princess]

I'm perfectly fine with them removing all XP from it. I'm only there for the mounts and cosmetic gear.
And at ~20% win rate and matches dragging on as long as they do, it's getting tiresome.If getting rid of the bots keeps them off my team and lets me progress faster, great, get rid of them. But if we could just make sure they're all on the opponents' teams until I'm done with the grind, I'd be down with that as well. >_>

Queues will go back to 1-3 hours, did you know the queue wait timer has a cap? its 999 minutes, and 99 seconds. I left my computer on as I slept and woke still in it. Reason I did that is because back then all I did was craft anyway, so I did not care. I belive I did woke before it capped, I think the total queue time was about 17-18 hrs, it popped shortly after capping (about 1 hr)

Kinda shocked more bots don't show up in deep, but then again being a bot in 4 people is easier to notice I suppose.

That's what I do. I don't enjoy PvP. SE could offer me 500 octodecillion gil, a large house in every district, everything instantly levelled to 70, in max Savage gear, all crafts unlocked, and all gatherers, all set to 100% HQ rate for gathers, and crafts are guaranteed HQ, and I have the stats to craft everything, with all books unlocked, in exchange for playing 1 PvP game, and I wouldn't do it. You can't bribe me into doing something I absolutely detest. The friends that tried to drag me into PvP very almost got blacklisted in game for it.

I am wondering if people are truly honest when they say something like this. For me, I do stuff I do not want to because of some means to an end. Personal example is feast. I hate the fact there is no chat, no social interaction, hate the fact I can't ask someone change to healer and /or tank when the set ups are like 7 dps and me healer. I hate seeing "good job" spam just because they died and I can't heal someone going 1 v 7, but I do feast when it is a wt sticker, a fast means to an end. Even though frontlines is slower I would do that for a WT sticker and prefer to do so over feast despite taking longer cuz I can at least talk to people and they can talk back. I would also not be running expert/ delta normal (and I really do not need to run delta normals) if it had no means to an end unless it is out to help a friend for something they want.

[Ayerinn]

Queues will go back to 1-3 hours, did you know the queue wait timer has a cap? .

No it won't - well, unless you are Maelstrom and refuse to use the Merc feature but that is on you. Plenty of people do Frontlines for Tomestones...heck, that is the only reason I do it not worth the pain for the 33% chance to get acceptable amounts of XP.

[Snow_Princess]

No it won't - well, unless you are Maelstrom and refuse to use the Merc feature but that is on you. Plenty of people do Frontlines for Tomestones...heck, that is the only reason I do it not worth the pain for the 33% chance to get acceptable amounts of XP.

Have you tried frontlines before gero/adding exp? it will, because there is faster means for tomestones etc and they had that daily bonus back before gero/exp when it was 1-3 hours. I used to do them, or tried to, sometimes I could not do it every day.

If you take out exp gain now, it will revert to what it was like before gero. (since I am sure anyone that has an interest in that gear/mounts have them now) so the only reason to go do them is bot exp and due the daily for tomestones because the queue is fast since people bot exp. No reason to think it wouldn't revert to how it used to be if the dropped exp gain. The only reason that roulette got better queue times was gero, then we get exp on top of it.

On my data center, since gero , I rarely seen 24 man frontlines. I saw them here and there if I did a morning queue + nearing the end of HW but when they added the exp gain (sb?) it went back to 72 man 24/7

[Dark-Saviour]

Orrrrrrrrr, how about if you don't like PVP, go farm your exp some other way rather than ruining it for the people who DO like it? What a strange and novel concept!

I'm perfectly fine with them removing all XP from it. I'm only there for the mounts and cosmetic gear.
And at ~20% win rate and matches dragging on as long as they do, it's getting tiresome.
If getting rid of the bots keeps them off my team and lets me progress faster, great, get rid of them. But if we could just make sure they're all on the opponents' teams until I'm done with the grind, I'd be down with that as well. >_>

[LalaRu]

...I'm only there for the mounts ... it's getting tiresome...

If you are there only for the loot, just deal with it and don't complain.
It is no more or less boring than doing same duty again and again and again for pony or bird or whatsoever.

[Dark-Saviour]

If you are there only for the loot, just deal with it and don't complain.
It is no more or less boring than doing same duty again and again and again for pony or bird or whatsoever.

I am dealing with it and suffering through the grind, but I'll certainly complain. May not accomplish much, but at least it allows me some form of outlet.

And though taking potshots and shaking my fist is just a means of venting, so obviously none of this really matters, I will say it actually is less appealing than grinding pretty much any PvE trial to me. At the point those become mundane, they can at least be relaxing.

And just to poke at that comparison a bit more:
1) While tokens are a thing for trials now, RNG drops are still the primary source for birds and whatnot, so you can potentially get your reward one run in. The PvP mounts being achievement rewards means there's no chance of a real reward after each match.
2) PvE trials end up on farm-mode, so even if you were going to use the tokens to buy your item, you pretty much know exactly how many runs its going to take. Losing isn't much of a thing like it is here, so that's not really a barrier to progress...

[Madepossible]

Unless they don't fix the current PvP system, I don't mind the bots! Makes the games faster I guess, too bad if ur in the bots team rippp LOL! But since I don't even take PvP system serious anymore, I really don't care cos why should I if I'm so limited to a certain amount of skills I can use? Just mindlessly pressing the PvP macro button and get in xp IMHO!