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  1. #211
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    Ryaz's Avatar
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    Ryaz Darksbane
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis View Post
    i feel like Shirogane was the perfect opportunity to implement instanced housing without disturbing existing housing and they didn't capitalize on it.
    That's because the developers are pretty happy with the status quo. Just look at what we had to go through just to get extra bag space.

    Basically, there is no reason for the current system except for the devs screwing it up. Which is fine. It happens. But it's just stubborness that keeps them from fixing it.

    Instanced housing would be a win-win, great for both players AND SE. Just look at ESO. They implemented instanced housing in a great way. The houses show on the map, so they still feel like part of the world but are instanced so people don't lose out. There's multiple locations with different looks and sizes. And they made it so they could be bought with in game currency OR real money, giving them a fresh source of revenue. Considering how much SE loves the cash shop, you'd think this would be a no-brainer. Even if instanced housing required server upgrades, it would pay for itself in no time.

    I just don't see where anyone thought the current housing system would be a good idea, especially when two people can buy up an entire district (which actually just happened... Kotaku has an article on it).

    Then again, this is the same team that requires you to hold on to every piece of gear for glamour instead of having a window like every other MMO out there (and have stated they have no plans to implement one), so I'm not expecting much.
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    Last edited by Ryaz; 08-09-2017 at 10:07 PM.

  2. #212
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    Oxix Lahun
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    Having a group of people dominate the ffxiv housing market almost seems intentional at this point.

    I'm not going to do it, nope, not again. Last time when all was saved up and ready to go, most of the houses got 'robbed' in the first few minutes, by freaking re-sellers. Not only the small plot ones, mind you. There was no way of getting one besides being absolutely enormously lucky with log-ins, log-in locations, lag, fps, 90ks, running, etc you name it... and still you would have had sad people standing next to you as well while clicking the board in a reflex, including sad re-sellers. Why the heck are there so many re-sell accounts anyway, it boggles the mind. And yes, those were re-sellers. There are blogs about it, lol. Whole tactics were explained after the rush-grab; on how they figured the best spots to log / run from, ultra low quality configs for fps... best vpns / hops against lag.... team effort, for grabbing limited housing in a popular mmo!

    This whole experience was so bad, people, myself included, didn't feel like playing for a while, really. I mean really. Wtf, se.

    So if they won't change this nonsense, they can keep them. Both SE and the re-sellers.

    And very true as said in this thread, in the end FC houses are so much better and alive. Would like a personal house, but not like this, no freaking way.
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    Last edited by eschaton; 08-09-2017 at 09:38 PM. Reason: :)

  3. #213
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    I'shtola Maqa
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    Leviathan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iromi View Post
    Is SE every going to add more wards and fix this housing stuff...or will I end up with my RL house and quit before they fix this? lol
    You will for sure get a RL house before, lol
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  4. #214
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    At this point it will be impossible to get a house if you happen to DC or not get in for getting a house if we don't get a change in the housing. A suggestion: people that bought a house are unable to break their house plot for 90 days, the 45 days inactivity auto break still will be in effect for incase she is inactive or something. Think that's the first step towards reselling cockroaches.
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  5. #215
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    Stouter Taru
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madepossible View Post
    A suggestion: people that bought a house are unable to break their house plot for 90 days, the 45 days inactivity auto break still will be in effect for incase she is inactive or something. Think that's the first step towards reselling cockroaches.
    A better step would be to raise the initial house price to more than a house is worth to the players (like how the reverse auction was designed to work.) Nobody is going to buy a small house for 50M and try to flip it.
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  6. #216
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    Celenir Istarkh
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    At this point, if the new housing area is handled exactly as before, then it is clear that the devs intentionally want to create this situation. They want to see players fight each other over this on forums and communities. They want to spread the drama. There is no other explanation for it. They have had plenty of feedback and plenty of time to come up with something, and if they still haven't done something, it means it was intentional.
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    “There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.”
    ― Ernest Hemingway

  7. #217
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    Az Zurrei
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    Quote Originally Posted by StouterTaru View Post
    A better step would be to raise the initial house price to more than a house is worth to the players (like how the reverse auction was designed to work.) Nobody is going to buy a small house for 50M and try to flip it.
    Agreed but not to that extreme. Ideally they move to an Auction system but I think the easiest band-aid "fix" to the impending Shirogane housing crisis is to double the base price of the Shirogane plots (only) and then degrade by 75% instead of 50%. For example, currently a large plot in existing housing areas might start at 50 million gil and degrade to a 25 million gil floor after 60 days (I think it is 60, not 100% sure on the time frame.) For Shirogane, that same plot would cost 100 million gil to start and degrade to 25 million gil over 60 days. The demand is there but the supply is not - so the only (quick and dirty) way to temper the demand curve to even remotely meet the supply curve is to up the initial price of the plots.
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  8. #218
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    Oxix Lahun
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    Balmung
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    The only, only, only example of people getting send to jail publicly / youtube-ly, the only one, was after the outbreak / outcry on mass party-finder housing re-selling, after the new ward release.

    Even the market-board 'robbing' you from your pocket-money while walking by was supervised more discretely than the mass re-selling of the limited housing. (A good thing, but personally I believe this comparison shows how the mass re-selling impact must have made our hosts 'feel' quite bad as well. Everyone did, really.)

    And hey, it doesn't seem like the system has changed. Should we hope the people have changed? Maybe that's it?

    I'm sorry about going into rant mode on this, but I'm more sorry this happens in a sub-based, cash-shop supported, inventory renting, fantasia selling, skip potion offering, collectors edition of my currently favorite game.
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    Last edited by eschaton; 08-10-2017 at 07:46 PM. Reason: outbreak / outcry

  9. #219
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    Locke Kincaid
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    I am having the same issues on Brynhildr. I keep finding several houses with the same house name that all have the same house name followed by something like 20-23 then right beside it it the next one is 24-27. The description even blatantly stated that they are alt houses. I pay for all the services that the game offers just to have them slap me in the face. Never in over 10 years of playing MMORPG's have I seen such neglect of provision.
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  10. #220
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    Miuna Shiodome
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    Tonberry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    At this point, if the new housing area is handled exactly as before, then it is clear that the devs intentionally want to create this situation. They want to see players fight each other over this on forums and communities. They want to spread the drama. There is no other explanation for it. They have had plenty of feedback and plenty of time to come up with something, and if they still haven't done something, it means it was intentional.
    Yep. They are a bunch of sadists that like seeing us suffer. Shirogane was their chance to fix it and they chose not to, need more be said?
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