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  1. #101
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    Agree'd that the majority of JP players will follow their friends and the new players will of course select the server than is dedicated to JP.

    This doesn't bother me at all though, but for people who are hoping to stay in global servers they may not last very long if a trend is set.
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    This is purely my opinion and i hope it doesnt come off in a bad way, im sure it wont, but here it goes. I think the "Global community" a lot of people are referencing is somewhat of a farce. A few of you are active within multiple communities but i can guarantee a vast majority of people from both english speaking and japanese speaking communities rarely ever interact with the other side.

    I guess the way i feel is why bother giving an illusion of a global community, when both sides tend to segregate themselves anyway, when they can just make them language specific and make things easier as a whole as far as communication and what not is concerned. This has always been my feeling since XI days, and im glad people have been able to bridge the gap but unfortunately the majority do not.And not for any racist reasons just for convenience. I think an option to choose between seperate servers and a global server would please most people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurus View Post
    This is purely my opinion and i hope it doesnt come off in a bad way, im sure it wont, but here it goes. I think the "Global community" a lot of people are referencing is somewhat of a farce. A few of you are active within multiple communities but i can guarantee a vast majority of people from both english speaking and japanese speaking communities rarely ever interact with the other side.

    I guess the way i feel is why bother giving an illusion of a global community, when both sides tend to segregate themselves anyway, when they can just make them language specific and make things easier as a whole as far as communication and what not is concerned. This has always been my feeling since XI days, and im glad people have been able to bridge the gap but unfortunately the majority do not.And not for any racist reasons just for convenience. I think an option to choose between seperate servers and a global server would please most people.

    I simply disagree with you and possibly its a farce to you, but let me ask you a few questions. Do you purchase only NA gear, items, supplies? When you shout do you shout to NA only to do repairs or meldings? I have done countless of leves with japanese players back before alot of the changes. When new events come out open world you have all different types of stragglers NA/JP/EU doesn't matter that bind together for the sake of completion. Most of us have grown complacent in the fact that this game, albeit small, has a developed community. Nowadays you dont have to look too far outside your very own linkshell for things. It hasn't always been that way nor will it always be this way. If the playerbase grows and the content flows we'll see a completely new game with reinvigorated community action once more. Personally I live on HST and if I did play my peak primetime hours, which I very well may have to sooner than not, no one will be on.
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  4. #104
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurus View Post
    This is purely my opinion and i hope it doesnt come off in a bad way, im sure it wont, but here it goes. I think the "Global community" a lot of people are referencing is somewhat of a farce. A few of you are active within multiple communities but i can guarantee a vast majority of people from both english speaking and japanese speaking communities rarely ever interact with the other side.

    I guess the way i feel is why bother giving an illusion of a global community, when both sides tend to segregate themselves anyway, when they can just make them language specific and make things easier as a whole as far as communication and what not is concerned. This has always been my feeling since XI days, and im glad people have been able to bridge the gap but unfortunately the majority do not.And not for any racist reasons just for convenience. I think an option to choose between seperate servers and a global server would please most people.
    Leaving aside issues of server population (which are present and very relevant), the fact that the servers are currently global does not impact your ability to communicate with people in your own language. What it does allow is for people who are willing to reach across those barriers to find help they may not have been able to find otherwise, maybe make new friends in a new part of the world, and cooperate.

    Even if you don't, no one's forcing you to play with JP players or vice versa--prime time hours for your own region's group will stay the same whether the servers are global or not, but among other things you may have JP players buying your items on the AH while you sleep, which helps keep the economy on a nice even keel no matter when items are posted. This hasn't been the case in any of the MMOs I've played with regional servers.

    As I mentioned before, though, making it optional will essentially be the same as forcing regional servers upon us, as that's what the JP playerbase wants. I suppose respecting their wishes is a valid route, but I think the game and community will be weaker for it.
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    sure they dont mean server at each location to reduce lag a shorter distance between point a to point b

    like having some in the usa, japan, europe. right now there only in japan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurus View Post
    This is purely my opinion and i hope it doesnt come off in a bad way, im sure it wont, but here it goes. I think the "Global community" a lot of people are referencing is somewhat of a farce. A few of you are active within multiple communities but i can guarantee a vast majority of people from both english speaking and japanese speaking communities rarely ever interact with the other side.

    I guess the way i feel is why bother giving an illusion of a global community, when both sides tend to segregate themselves anyway, when they can just make them language specific and make things easier as a whole as far as communication and what not is concerned. This has always been my feeling since XI days, and im glad people have been able to bridge the gap but unfortunately the majority do not.And not for any racist reasons just for convenience. I think an option to choose between seperate servers and a global server would please most people.
    You seem to think "multicultual" is meaning english speaking and Japanese speaking, when it means from all walks of life. I am in the UK, I play this game with people from Germany, US, Portugal, there was even somone who is origanally Korean but moved to US. The servers will not be segrigared by language to allow people to communicate better, they will segrigate by region, so they can have the US servers in America, the EU servers in London (probably) and the Japanese servers in Tokyo otherwise there is no point in distancing the community like that.

    I also play DC universe and thier servers are based on region, whereas you can choose the US server or EU server if I played on the US server it would be almost dead because the US players are all in bed or at work when I play because of the time differance, this makes the game unplayable for people who play at odd times unless they choose the other server.

    On DC universe guess what the first thing I saw was, some german chat, then some french chat, then some spanish on the EU server because there is NO reason to seperate by language because people in EU will still have terrible lag because the server will be in the US, we would only loose all the people in other parts of EU and JP.

    And before people start saying they wont have servers around the world because of patches and money, all they need to do is have the patch 1 day later for the patch to be sent through a VPN to the other regions, and it would probably be cheaper after the server technicians have been trained to use the server side software for the game because they already have staff at the regional offices and could make staff at thier head office redundant because they arent needed, Also this will come with the 2.0 servers which SE dont even have except maybe a test server so they dont need to ship them over, just buy them in the regions.
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    I dont know i feel like the economy would work just fine if the servers went regional, they do in every other mmo. Granted the playerbase needs to increase first, so i guess if this doesnt reach widespread popularity like they want then seperate servers would be a bad idea. However regional servers would be very plausible and probably better if the game reaches good levels of popularity.

    Since 2003 when ffxi launched in Na till present in xiv i have partied once with jp players. So no i never have specifically shouted for their help in anything. The only thing i will give u is that yes i probably have bought gear made by jp crafters, but like i said if this game gets the population it wants the economy wont be a problem. The one thing i do agree with though is that it would be bad for those who play at off peak hours, and i'll admit i really don't have an idea as for a solution other then them playing on the global servers. however as a poster said above it seems the JP playerbase wants seperate servers so i dont know :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delsus View Post
    The servers will not be segrigared by language to allow people to communicate better, they will segrigate by region ...
    I'm sorry to jump on you so, but... I'm afraid you're talking out of your bottom in this case, operating on understandable logic though you seem to be. Changes to servers' physical locations are something they are merely considering for the future, not a part of the current plan. The present language-based server plans are.. presumably at least, for communication and the slight increase in playability might come from players lagging a little less dissimilarly to one another, but no less across the board. At the present moment, they are focusing on latency minimisation without moving the servers.

    Here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuki
    Chuki : ... Players are very, very concerned with latency, so do you plan moving servers out of Japan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki Yoshida
    Naoki Yoshida : About the possibility of moving the game servers outside Japan is something we’re really being careful but we’re considering the possibility because if we do move them out of Japan, it’s going to be quite expensive for the operation cost, for the servers moving, so it’s not something we can give an answer straight away, we are carefully considering what’s the best solution.

    ... We might not necesserarily remove servers from Japan, there could be other areas in the network route. We will continue to look into this issue.

    So far, from what we’ve seen, the data we found out really varies from player to player’s environment, depending on the environment, some people may be experiencing terrible lag problems but some people are fine so we really want more information as we look into it.

    <Full interview includes further discussion of latency and what can be done to reduce it without resorting to moving the servers.. and a great deal of other stuff. Click question above for the full interview. Questionable English is due to translation from French by interviewers, some wording, nuances and implications especially, may be unreliable as such>

    Quote Originally Posted by Delsus View Post
    ... otherwise there is no point in distancing the community like that.
    Now, on that, I think I can agree with you.
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    Last edited by Fensfield; 11-08-2011 at 09:37 AM.
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  9. #109
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    People seem to think that this would have a huge impact on the economy, don't be silly, where do you people get it in to your head that the only people who craft are JP ?

    If they make regional servers they will give people the option to consolidate and merge into new servers, if they were clever they could persuade people with ...hmm lets say new mounts for instance.

    I'm afraid you're talking out of your bottom in this case
    No you !!

    None of us know for sure what they plan to do, Yoshi-p asked us to do the iptest and then he would decide if regional servers would be a better option, there is more to consider than just language here.

    There is no benefit to segregating language and keeping the servers in Japan, in fact I would say that only benefits Japanese players.
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    Ya know, I cant help but feeling like were missing a rather large hunk of the information on the new server structures.
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