What's up with healers not healing?

[Rasylia]

O1 have Charybdis, an unavoidable aoe that makes the party go 1% hp. There it needs heavy and fast healing.

Charbydis is coming.
After that Lightning Bolt YES/NO?
Lightning Bolt YES!
/cast Clemency @ OT
/cast Clemency @ OT
Lightning Bolt No!
/cast Clemency @ Healer 1
/cast Clemency @ Healer 2

I have yet to see anyone notice or mention me doing that.
In ANY dungeon. Or Raid. Or Extreme Trial.

Clemency is on of the most awesome skills the Pld ever got. 95% of the tanks dont use it (made up number i evaluated after playing Whm/Sch/Blm/Smn) and when i do it, noone cares.

A bit sad considering it saves people on a regular basis...

[Madepossible]

As a tank myself I do like to DPS myself while using serious cd for attacks that do high damage, if a healer wants to DPS that's fine but do keep me alive. I do switch to tank stance if a healer can't keep me alive or barely. Tank DPS > healer DPS and if I keep aggro and use my defensive cd - atleast I do my job, but a healer that can't keep the party alive shouldn't DPS. I don't care if you want to help the party's DPS - you qued as a healer, so do your main job and if u can DPS a little that's a plus, not a necessity or que as DPS.

[Alisi]

O1n-o4n: incoming tank buster, pop cd. Wait for heals, wait for heals, wait for any type of heal, boom die to auto attacks.

I just don't get it, I'm usually the only one taking damage at that time. Why you let me die? Q.Q

It happens at least 4 to 5 times a day. I know I'm a PLD, but I shouldn't be forced to use clemency as a cd every freaking tank buster.

Oh, oooooh! I see. I thought we healers were supposed to be DPSing the entire time. That's what everyone keeps telling us. A healer hanging out and, you know, healing, thus not DPSing, is a terrible healer. Ask anyone. ;O

[alimdia]

Clemency is on of the most awesome skills the Pld ever got. 95% of the tanks dont use it (made up number i evaluated after playing Whm/Sch/Blm/Smn) and when i do it, noone cares.

Because unless the run is heading towards a wipe your clemency isn't helping as much as you think it is, if I'm saving a lustrate or tetra for a tank buster I'm not gonna sit there and wait to see if a PLD is gonna use clemency, I'm gonna heal regardless of what you do, most healers will either plan their heals without your clemency or react to damage as soon as they see it instead of waiting for your clemency.

So the rule of thumb is, burn MP on holy spirit unless the run is heading towards a wipe, the faster you kill the boss the less likely mistakes will happen and the 400 potency holy spirit helps with this.

[Alisi]

when i do it, noone cares.

It's a healing spell. No one notices when you're casting healing spells. It's some bug that happens only on healing spells. I mean, objectively they notice because they aren't dead but it doesn't go beyond that. That why you see all these hater healer threads about healers just standing around doing nothing. They're alive and they finished the dungeon/raid, so objectively they must've had a heal at some point, but this bug completely wipes the minds of the other party member. It's a very selective, very strange bug.

[Rasylia]

Everything

I disagree. The Twillight Bolt after Charbydis is a tankbuster with what... 30k Dmg on both? So, me casting 2x Clemency is allready ensuring that both tanks won't be dying.
If, e.g. one healer didnt pay attention and is only AOE-Healing instead of boosting up us tanks, that can allready mean the OT will die.

Noone said Clemency prevents wipes when you are closing in on it. But it defenitely ensures a much smoother and safer run.

[Taika]

O1 have Charybdis, an unavoidable aoe that makes the party go 1% hp. There it needs heavy and fast healing.

Yeah I know, oh no I had to actually heal twice during the fight because of those!

[Miste]

O1 have Charybdis, an unavoidable aoe that makes the party go 1% hp. There it needs heavy and fast healing.

Hmmm...yeah you do have to quick heal to make sure no one dies, but you can heal the damage in 1-2 GCDs. I personally wouldn't call that 'heavy' healing, but I guess some might consider it so.

A powered up Earthly Star, or a Largesse Cure III/Medica (+ Plenary if you so desire), or a Idom + Succor is enough to make sure the group won't die after the hit. If you time a heal it isn't dangerous at all especially since Charybdis has quite a bit of a cast time. The party just needs enough HP to survive anything that comes after. If both healers use some AoE healing likely each one just needs one GCD and the party is alright again.

[alimdia]

I disagree. The Twillight Bolt after Charbydis is a tankbuster with what... 30k Dmg on both? So, me casting 2x Clemency is allready ensuring that both tanks won't be dying.
If, e.g. one healer didnt pay attention and is only AOE-Healing instead of boosting up us tanks, that can allready mean the OT will die.

Noone said Clemency prevents wipes when you are closing in on it. But it defenitely ensures a much smoother and safer run.

I'm telling you you're overestimating how much that is helping, if one healer isn't healing before a tank buster in savage then that healer needs more practice, what do you think is gonna happen when a healer like that is paired with a WAR, a DRK, or a PLD that is spending MP on HS? The majority of healers will know what to do and your clemency is just causing them to overheal as they will still cast their heals on you.

Of course you can keep doing it if that's what you're comfortable with, but I'm explaining why you feel like no one cares, no one is gonna notice something that is not necessary.

[Alisi]

Noone said Clemency prevents wipes when you are closing in on it. But it defenitely ensures a much smoother and safer run.

I can verify the truthiness of this with a fun story.

Just got out of a Lakshmi Ex run. The OT couldn't hold second enmity to save his (everyone's) life. He took that OT buster exactly one time in the course of things and was one shot, because she was in her emo goth phase and he didn't use a vril. Everyone else took it, mostly dying. There were corpses littered everywhere. Did this heroic OT freeze up? Absolutely not. He did what he knew he had to: he spam healed the MT with clemency. We didn't wipe.

I leave that group and sign up in DF. Manage to get the same OT. I don't think he took one of the OT busters at all. He also brought up his game when he managed to kill half the team in one fell swoop (myself as healer and all the DPS.) We got everyone up (without using healer LB3) and even managed to kill her without a wipe (it was very close though.) All the while this plucky OT is helping out by healing the MT.

Where would we have been without clemency? Thanks clemency for making a smoother and safer run! :'D