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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maeka View Post
    Yeah, if HT2 fails twice, IIRC, it comes out to IQ5 at the end... so I keep both on my hotbar just in case, lol.
    Oh Maeka... (I know I'm starting to be annoying, LOL!)... You said, in your original rotation, if even 1 HT II fails, you can still HQ it 100%. Your original rotation had only 7 touches... minus 1 is 6 touches, equal to IQ7. If even IQ7 can get you 100%, there's no point in using Hastys at all (see below):
    Left side is your original rotation. Middle is a rotation which used Waste Not instead of MM2. Right side is a variant of the same rotation.

    The use of Master's Mend II would not have been necessary. Instead, you can just spent 56 CP on WN, and put all that remaining CP into Basic Touches to make everything 100% secure. You will still have sufficient CP for an Innov-buffed Advanced Touch before your Blessing. Wouldn't that be even better?
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    “The best crafter is not the one with the best stats, but the one who makes the best use of one’s stats” – By Caimie Tsukino

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    I've never messed around with WN much. I know it can be useful, it's just... weird and I'm afraid that I'd miscalculate and end up running out of durability or something lol.

    But this is something to try, sure.

    Though your rotations above assume Durability 80 instead of the 70 that most HW+ items have. But I suppose that's an easy enough fix, simply remove 1 of the basic touches and it'd still surely work.

    EDIT: And no, you're not being a bother at all. This is nice stuff to study and consider, lol. I hadn't thought of doing it that way. You're introduced to Mend at a very early level and it just kinda sticks with you and feels natural, then they throw WN at you awhile later and it's like "ok, how do I actually make use of this?" and it's hard to do in your head how much you get when you use WN instead of Mend.
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    WN and Mend are NOT the same thing, and though they serve the same purpose (trade CP for more Durability) they function in different, somewhat complimentary ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder View Post
    WN and Mend are NOT the same thing, and though they serve the same purpose (trade CP for more Durability) they function in different, somewhat complimentary ways.
    Yeah, you can Mend as many times as you want until you're out of CP... but you can only WN until you run out of Durability lol.

    Anyways...



    I managed to 100% HQ a Koppranickel Index with all but 1 NQ material (the ink) even though I made several mistakes.

    Hopefully I get more comfortable, because it takes me forever to craft as I'm afraid of messing up (in the aforementioned synth, I didn't realize I forgot IQ until after the first touch which wasted 1 Waste Not duration).

    Can't believe I got max quality on that synth lol. And I didn't get anything like an Excellent or anything (well I did, but I had to ToT it). SYnth before, a "Poor" landed on my Byregot's step and I didn't notice it coming... still got 80% of the quality bar filled in.

    Basically the rotation I'm using for this one is...

    MM
    CZ
    IQ (if I don't forget the stupid thing lol)
    SH2
    WN
    HT2 x 4
    CS2 x3 (CZ in the middle of this when it wears off)
    Mend2
    CS2 (This and the above step can be switched)
    SH2
    HTx5
    SH2
    Innov
    GS
    Blessing (which is overkill, I need like 1500-2000 Quality to max, it gives me 5000+)
    CS2

    And done.

    EDIT: Eh, that ran me kinda short on CP, lol. I guess that only works if you get a few ToTs like I did the first time I tried this. Still maxed it, though. I just had to leave GS out and only use Innov. Still more than enough to fill it in.

    EDIT2: Awww, I dinged a level with 1 book left to make and now it's not starred anymore. Ah well. This next one should be even easier to make now.
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    Last edited by Maeka; 08-08-2017 at 07:53 AM.

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    GS is more important than Innovation. Even if it is the only boost you use for your Byregot's, try to save enough CP for it at least. Innovation will bump your Control up by 50% of your starting Control - a decent enough bump, but not nearly as big as doubling the Quality added, which is what Great Strides does.

    Ex : with my stats, I just got 405 Quality on a BT (no IQ for this comparison, so consider them all at the equivalent of IQ1). Innovation + BT was 618 - slightly more than half again, right? GS+BT was 810. And if you have a higher IQ stack, you'll still add about that 200 (using my example numbers) thanks to Innovation, but GS will be a lot bigger an increase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder View Post
    GS is more important than Innovation.
    I'm aware of that, I merely made a mistake and ran myself out of CP, didn't have enough for GS+Brow. But I did have enough for Innov+Byregot's... barely.

    Since I'm still rather new to higher level crafting (last time I did much crafting other than Ixal/Moogle quests was way back in the 40s), I keep making mistakes because I get distracted or I forget something etc.
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    Ok. You'll get better with practice.
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    If you have all your classes leveled to at least 50 One suggestion I might add is copying all your hotbars to those other jobs uniformly.

    If it's controller it's /chotbar (cross hotbar)

    For PC (mouse/keyboard) users use /hotbar

    The syntax say for copying your Culinarian 1 hotbar to Weaver would be for example

    /hotbar copy CUL 1 WVR 1
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    Quote Originally Posted by QT_Melon View Post
    If you have all your classes leveled to at least 50 One suggestion I might add is copying all your hotbars to those other jobs uniformly.

    If it's controller it's /chotbar (cross hotbar)

    For PC (mouse/keyboard) users use /hotbar

    The syntax say for copying your Culinarian 1 hotbar to Weaver would be for example

    /hotbar copy CUL 1 WVR 1
    Ahh. I never knew about This, lol. But yes that would help a bit.
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  10. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maeka View Post
    Basically the rotation I'm using for this one is...

    MM
    CZ
    IQ (if I don't forget the stupid thing lol)
    SH2
    WN
    HT2 x 4
    CS2 x3 (CZ in the middle of this when it wears off)
    Mend2
    CS2 (This and the above step can be switched)
    SH2
    HTx5
    SH2
    Innov
    GS
    Blessing (which is overkill, I need like 1500-2000 Quality to max, it gives me 5000+)
    CS2
    MM on first step? Is that a Master's Mend or Maker's Mark? Either way, it seems like a mistake there...

    Quote Originally Posted by Maeka View Post
    SH2
    Innov
    GS
    Blessing
    CS2
    Concerning the finisher phase, you're not the only person who uses this sequence of actions, which I believe could be slightly improved. In my opinion, unless you're planning to wrap another touch under the Innovation, it's better to execute GS before Innovation.

    Why? Well, assuming you're using:
    SH
    Innov
    GS
    Blessing

    If a Good pops before Innovation, the best you could do is Trick of Trade. And if a Good pops before GS, then again there's also not much you can do except Trick of Trade (because GS is stronger than a Good). Only if a Good arrives before Blessing, then you could use it for the Blessing.

    However, if you use my recommended sequence of:
    SH
    GS
    Innov
    Ingen2 (only if you have the CP)
    Blessing

    If a Good pops before GS, the best you could do is Trick. But if a Good pops before Innov, then you can skip the Innov and immediately Blessing it. Good > Innov+Ingen2. Thus, this optimizes the result. If you took a Trick earlier, and now you have CP to push out an Ingen2, you can do that after the Innov. That gives another chance of baiting the Good condition for the Blessing.
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    “The best crafter is not the one with the best stats, but the one who makes the best use of one’s stats” – By Caimie Tsukino

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