Dragoon Poll (Should DRG have a Wyvern?)

[Tenkenkobra]

no pet, dont want the same mistake of XI for XIV. on XI back in the days idk as of recent days but DRG was pretty useless come HNM fight due to his pet. Keeping the Wyvern alive for those worthy fight was also a big ass problem... pet would die in a matter of a couple of AOE.

No, for pet!

Yes, for strong and breath moves!

[Volsung]

I'm gonna use these two arguments against each other





Just because FFXI came up with a different concept for dragoon which can be compatible in FFXIV does not suddenly make this FFXI. Just because there was made dragoon related mistakes in FFXI does not mean that the mistakes have to follow with the concept, that was a mistake in execution (hopefully they have learned something by now). Which is different.

Your concerns aren't unreasonable, but your assumptions are.

edited to sound less dbaggy:

My assumptions are reasonable. SE has shown time and time and again to make mistakes. Pet jobs are notorious for being hard to balance to begin with. Add incompetence onto that and you have a problem

SE has made many major mistakes that support my thoughts. Including the release of FFXIV in the state it was in.

On top of all of that, as a fan of drg, I do not want to be a pet job, but stand on my own feet. Just as others have their opinion as they like/d having a pet.

I also believe that if SE half@asses it and attempts to appeal to everyone, that in the end nobody will get something as awesome as it could have been.

[Dreamer]

I'm gonna use these two arguments against each other

Just because FFXI came up with a different concept for dragoon which can be compatible in FFXIV does not suddenly make this FFXI. Just because there was made dragoon related mistakes in FFXI does not mean that the mistakes have to follow with the concept, that was a mistake in execution (hopefully they have learned something by now). Which is different.

Your concerns aren't unreasonable, but your assumptions are.

Is it so difficult to grasp that many of us simply want to play the traditional version of Final Fantasy's dragoons rather than FFXI's?

[Jamison]

I would not enjoy the job as much if it had a wyvern.

Personal choice, as well as gameplay mechanics being more difficult to balance. I would rather see some other way of occasionally channeling the power of a dragon without it being a separate character.

[grandm]

party leader"going to fight odin, looking for DoW/DoM. @7/8"
lancer"lv 50 lancer, can i come"
party leader"sure you can come. but only if you use your lancer and not your dragoon"
lancer"lol i wouldn't use my dagoon. the stupid wyvern would die and i would lose half my power in the first 5 mins"
party leader"i know the dragoon is such a stupid job, at last you can still stay lancer"

aww my crystal ball has gone cloudy now. i would have loved to see how the battle goes. still stay tuned for my exciting storys from the future.

[Reliquia]

Is it so difficult to grasp that many of us simply want to play the traditional version of Final Fantasy's dragoons rather than FFXI's?

Of course not, but that works the other way as well Dreamer. This is basically the core of the issue, either dragoon becomes a companion based job or it becomes a standalone job. It is an either or situation where one of the two parts don't get to play dragoon as they want to.

However half assed arguments that imply that:
a) Dragoons can not seek co-operation with wyvern because they are under the impression that dragoons have to hate dragons, drakes and wyverns.
b) The FFXI dragoon concept being somehow inferior to the classical dragoon concept, or any less Final Fantasy'ish.
c) The lore prevents it
d) That the concept of FFXI dragoon cannot be further developped, that the same mistakes have to happen again just because they happened in FFXI
Are not in any way conclusive arguments.

The only real legitimate concern besides preferences (which everyone is entitled to) is that most people against are actually most worried about the balancing issues than what they are spewing out. Which is understandable, but that doesn't mean that a wyvern based job can't be implemented successfully.

My gripe is however that the possibility of implementing a wyvern is still an idea that Yoshi P hasn't gone into details about, meaning that aside from preferences there aren't any substantial arguments against a wyvern based dragoon yet because we do not have details to criticize. When it comes to the fear of balancing issues people are quick to assume that those 4 inconclusive half assed points that I have mentioned (point a,b,c,d) are facts, and they argument with it trying to prove something that holds no water.

[grandm]

i like argument
e) i just plain don't want

or
f) this only came up coz yoshi had heard ppl asking for one. the poll says more don't want one

[Reliquia]

f) this only came up coz yoshi had heard ppl asking for one. the poll says more don't want one

I'm puzzled about that as well, how come Yoshi had the impression that most people wanted a wyvern? (not that I mind) I take that it has to be related to either the question being repeated in many interviews or it has to be a hot topic in the japanese comunity. Can anyone summarize the views in the japanese forum?

[Keith_Dragoon]

I'm puzzled about that as well, how come Yoshi had the impression that most people wanted a wyvern? (not that I mind) I take that it has to be related to either the question being repeated in many interviews or it has to be a hot topic in the japanese comunity. Can anyone summarize the views in the japanese forum?

Cause before the "You may get balanced and become weaker" there was a huge thread about this where almost everyone was wanting details on this. Once it was stated that if we got a wyvern it would cause them to balance our job the anti-wyvern coalition formed and turned on us. ; ;

Edit: This thread http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-be-joining-us

[Krausus]

Cause before the "You may get balanced and become weaker" there was a huge thread about this where almost everyone was wanting details on this an seemed all for a pet. Once it was stated that if we got a wyvern it would cause them to balance our job the anti-wyvern coalition formed and turned on us. ; ;

what post? I dont ever remember a thread that was majority pro wyvern.